Youseff wrote:have you guys discussed how "mainstream" America thinks that paid protesters are rioting in every city. that's the 1a level of "mainstream" thought, the 1b level is that George Soros is paying them.

JUburton wrote:well now you know who you can blame: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ?tid=sm_tw

jerseyhoya wrote:They just lost an election to a guy with a 60% unfavorable rating among people who voted.

TenuredVulture wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:The Clinton Campaign Was Undone By Its Own Neglect And A Touch Of Arrogance, Staffers Say - there will be better stories with either more on the record sources or off the record sources specifically detailing what the internals were showing, but an awful lot of my belief here in Clinton being extremely likely to win was due to thinking the Clinton campaign was the only outfit that had a real data/polling operation and following their actions. It seems the Dems fucked up significantly worse than Romney's people in 2012 - at least there wasn't anything they suggested that cost him the election. So much for thinking we're miles behind them.

I think Bill Clinton got lucky back in 1972 when he hired Carville and Stephenopolous. Otherwise, the DLC types have been pretty horrid at running campaigns. I guess they didn't actually use Mark Penn this time around, but anyone who ever thought that guy should be withing 1000 miles of a national campaign really has no ability to recognize talent. They certainly did not have a David Plouffe.

As I noted before the election, the Clinton people appeared to have no strategy to generate enthusiasm among young voters, and the ads I saw were uniformly terrible. They should've hired the guy who made that Bernie Sanders America Ad. Or heck, re-run the fighting for you ad. In an election were policy didn't matter, an ad like that could have been effective in countering the relentless pessimism and negativity of Trump, and given that Hillary doesn't really do optimism naturally, would have maybe helped.

Youseff wrote:also might be in their best interest to hire a department of 4Chan memes like pro-GOP folks did, get into the spreading of fake stories game, & hire an army of internet trolls from like Bulgaria.

Soren wrote:

Youseff wrote:also might be in their best interest to hire a department of 4Chan memes like pro-GOP folks did, get into the spreading of fake stories game, & hire an army of internet trolls from like Bulgaria.

Modern Politics!

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:My barber was telling me all about this yesterday. I finally just couldn't take it anymore and told her it was complete bullshit. Somehow I didn't end up with a chunk of hair missing in the back of my head.

She also told me how her son's bringing his Korean girlfriend over for Thanksgiving and warned her not to say anything racist. Her response is that she never "intends" to say anything racist.

BTW, this woman also cuts the Governor's hair. I can only imagine what she and Terry talk about.

Youseff wrote:have you guys discussed how "mainstream" America thinks that paid protesters are rioting in every city. that's the 1a level of "mainstream" thought, the 1b level is that George Soros is paying them.

jerseyhoya wrote:....People look smarter than they are when they win and dumber than they are when they lose.
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jerseyhoya wrote:-Anti Trump messaging - As noted above, a lot of people don't like Donald Trump, so this wasn't a failure, but I think they should have done a lot more highlighting his failures as a businessman. They highlighted the anti-women/minority/disabled stuff a ton. They highlighted him saying loose cannon type stuff a ton. I don't know what the 100th airing of an ad with Trump mocking the disabled reporter or them bleeping Trump swearing does because everyone pretty much had that priced into their opinion on Trump. I don't think a lot of people really understood how many failures Trump has had as a businessman. The angles that were tried on his business career highlighted his hypocrisy in making stuff overseas (I liked that Letterman ad during the Olympics and think it was effective) and a little bit about him screwing over his contractors. Don't think there was any real effort to list his bankruptcies and failures and promote the fact that he inherited a ton of wealth meaning he didn't create his company from scratch or things along those lines. People who thought he was a piece of shit in other respects voted for him because they think he's a historically awesome businessman who could use those skills to fix the economy or whatever. I don't understand why more of an effort to tarnish his business record to pour some cold water on that. It also would've come with the added benefit of driving him completely fucking insane

MoBettle wrote:

Youseff wrote:have you guys discussed how "mainstream" America thinks that paid protesters are rioting in every city. that's the 1a level of "mainstream" thought, the 1b level is that George Soros is paying them.

Uhhh I'd be kind of surprised if there weren't some "professional" organizers involved in some fashion at some of these sites. When stuff like this is looked at in retrospect it's almost never just "ordinary" citizens (though that makes sense right, the people that do this professsionally are usually the ones that feel the strongest and most in position to provide leadership).

Whether they are getting paid is probably a messier question.

Obviously the rioting stuff is bs.

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Just to drive the point home: Trump has been talking to world leaders on unsecured lines without being briefed or prepped for the calls.