Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:27:36

Arizona was called late last night.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:29:35

heyeaglefn wrote:I know it isn't a priority, but how can a state like Michigan not know who they voted for yet?

Provisional ballots and mailins take longer to sort through.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Grotewold » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:31:28

Clearly what this election demonstrated -- from the primaries through the general election -- was that the centrist, more moderate wing of the (Democratic) party has no standing with working class and middle class voters in this country," said Jeff Weaver, who was campaign manager for Clinton's Democratic rival, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

"It's time for the progressive wing to reassert themselves and offer a bold agenda to the American people," Weaver said. "The real losers in this campaign were the Democratic and Republican establishments. People clearly wanted change. Trump became the vehicle for that change in the general election. I think many people voted for him in spite of his outrageous positions, as opposed to in favor of them. So we need to demonstrate to people that we stand with them, not with the wealthy and powerful."

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:32:55

*whispers* obama is a left-centrist

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:33:39

Honestly if Bannon is a part of this administration I might cry.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:33:58

I posted a comment this morning to Paul Krugman's column in the Times. It was designated a "NYT Pick" so I'll post it here:

We need to be prepared for a hard truth: It's going to get worse-- probably a lot worse -- before it gets better. And, paradoxically, it will only get better if it does get a lot worse because that's the only way many, if not most, Americans will be able to see the consequences of what we've just done.

We, as a species, have an extraordinary inability to learn from our predecessors' mistakes. Each generation it seems must learn the same, hard lessons over and over. Across each generation we retain a deep-seated fantasy of an all-powerful father figure who will make all things right.

It's only when we are personally faced with the disastrous consequences of that infantile fantasy that we wake up to the fact that we as individuals are responsible for the world in which we live and must ourselves do the work necessary to make the world a better place.

I'm old enough that much, if not all, of the remainder of my life will be spent in the coming storm. For their own sake and the sake of generations to come, I hope our younger generations have the strength, courage and wisdom to weather the storm ahead and to find their way back to the light as soon as possible.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:34:20

I wonder about this..Russ Feingold ran behind Clinton in Wisconsin. He's the epitome of what they're talking about and she was closer to winning the state than he was.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:36:48

im starting to wonder if its easier and more correct to just say we elect personalities and not people for president.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Grotewold » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:38:16

JUburton wrote:im starting to wonder if its easier and more correct to just say we elect personalities and not people for president.


Don't remember much about Dukakis' personality, other than the tank disaster, but otherwise that's been the case my whole life

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:38:54

We elect a message. 2008 it was hope.


We elected one this time around, too.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:38:57

JUburton wrote:im starting to wonder if its easier and more correct to just say we elect personalities and not people for president.


en masse, i would tend to agree.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:39:35

pacino wrote:We elect a message. 2008 it was hope.


We elected one this time around, too.
tomato/tomahto but yeah, i agree.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:40:13

JUburton wrote:*whispers* obama is a left-centrist


I love Obama but let's be honest, I think he lost many progressives in 2009-10 for trying to compromise with the Republicans too much.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:41:31

A bad move was deciding to go after Trump for his horrible statements and not highlighting enough his horrible and inept business practices. I've heard from countless people about the businessman shtick. We highlighted how fucking shitty is he at everything. He was against the auto bailout. Clinton's team failed us with their advertising. They had videos about his practices but those stayed on youtube and didn't make it to tv.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:43:48

I looked and looked, but do not see (here)... apparently ACA had 100K enrollments on Wednesday. Biggest signup of the open season. Wednesday FFS.
yawn

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:45:59

The last year of enrollment.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:46:29

Putin's third cousin, Melania, is self comparing to Jackie Kennedy. Yikes. Maybe that is part of the calculus in crazy town.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby PSUsarge » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:47:43

Spot. Fucking. On.

The world is changing faster than ever, and Donald Trump’s campaign tapped into concern about where that change is taking the country. Many of the campaign’s central issues—jobs, globalization and immigration—had in common that they were rooted, in large part, in technological change.

Uber Technologies Inc. and others are testing self-driving trucks. That augurs trouble for the 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S., who hold some of the best-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree.


The setting for Mr. Trump’s critiques of American capitalism was often a closed or soon-to-be-closed factory.

But, thanks to advances in automation, there’s little evidence that bringing factories back to the U.S. would lead to significantly more jobs. The dollar value of what Americans make goes up every year, but the share of Americans who make those goods continues to decline. It was 8.7% of working Americans last year, down from a postwar high of nearly one in three in the 1950s.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-populis ... 1478814305

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:53:31

jerseyhoya wrote:
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Obama should tell the Senate they have 2 weeks to act on his nomination of Merrick for SCOTUS. If they waive their right he'll just appoint.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:54:19

PSUsarge wrote:Spot. Fucking. On.

The world is changing faster than ever, and Donald Trump’s campaign tapped into concern about where that change is taking the country. Many of the campaign’s central issues—jobs, globalization and immigration—had in common that they were rooted, in large part, in technological change.

Uber Technologies Inc. and others are testing self-driving trucks. That augurs trouble for the 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S., who hold some of the best-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree.


The setting for Mr. Trump’s critiques of American capitalism was often a closed or soon-to-be-closed factory.

But, thanks to advances in automation, there’s little evidence that bringing factories back to the U.S. would lead to significantly more jobs. The dollar value of what Americans make goes up every year, but the share of Americans who make those goods continues to decline. It was 8.7% of working Americans last year, down from a postwar high of nearly one in three in the 1950s.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-populis ... 1478814305


It's a scary time for a lot of people because of this. My cousin doesn't have a college degree and has worked in the restaurant industry his entire adult life. He's in his 40's now and is absolutely terrified that his options for work are dwindling.

The stress and anxiety people feel is real.

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