Erdogan has arrested the chairman of the leading secular newspaper in Turkey.

Doll Is Mine wrote:It's a scary time for a lot of people because of this. My cousin doesn't have a college degree and has worked in the restaurant industry his entire adult life. He's in his 40's now and is absolutely terrified that his options for work are dwindling.

The stress and anxiety people feel is real.

yeah, more than 95% of the jobs that have been created since the economic recovery started require college degrees

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/ ... -recovery/

Doll Is Mine wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:Spot. Fucking. On.

The world is changing faster than ever, and Donald Trump’s campaign tapped into concern about where that change is taking the country. Many of the campaign’s central issues—jobs, globalization and immigration—had in common that they were rooted, in large part, in technological change.

Uber Technologies Inc. and others are testing self-driving trucks. That augurs trouble for the 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S., who hold some of the best-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree.

The setting for Mr. Trump’s critiques of American capitalism was often a closed or soon-to-be-closed factory.

But, thanks to advances in automation, there’s little evidence that bringing factories back to the U.S. would lead to significantly more jobs. The dollar value of what Americans make goes up every year, but the share of Americans who make those goods continues to decline. It was 8.7% of working Americans last year, down from a postwar high of nearly one in three in the 1950s.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-populis ... 1478814305

It's a scary time for a lot of people because of this. My cousin doesn't have a college degree and has worked in the restaurant industry his entire adult life. He's in his 40's now and is absolutely terrified that his options for work are dwindling.

The stress and anxiety people feel is real.

the problem is that republican policies do not fix these issues and will not suddenly bring back the glory manufacturing days.

wasserman got a lot of shit on here over the past year but:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how ... -election/

thephan wrote:Putin's third cousin, Melania, is self comparing to Jackie Kennedy. Yikes. Maybe that is part of the calculus in crazy town.

Natasha Fatale is the first lady of the United States.

I'm a big Rocky & Bullwinkle fan, but not sure I'm ready for deez

Houshphandzadeh wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:It's a scary time for a lot of people because of this. My cousin doesn't have a college degree and has worked in the restaurant industry his entire adult life. He's in his 40's now and is absolutely terrified that his options for work are dwindling.

The stress and anxiety people feel is real.

yeah, more than 95% of the jobs that have been created since the economic recovery started require college degrees

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/ ... -recovery/

This is an issue, certainly. There is a lost generation of people stemming from the 2008 crash. There are no Republican solutions, but we both know that. Beefing up college availability, along with technical schools, was a good start to preventing a future generation from being stuck. Expanding UC, social security, medicaid, etc could help those who simply will not find a job equivalent to their old $40 an hour no skills job.

Now? I have no clue how people like this will be helped.

And yes I've been going on about racism but multiple things can be true. Someone holding racist sentiments can also have economic concerns and can also have voted Obama in 2008.

pacino wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:It's a scary time for a lot of people because of this. My cousin doesn't have a college degree and has worked in the restaurant industry his entire adult life. He's in his 40's now and is absolutely terrified that his options for work are dwindling.

The stress and anxiety people feel is real.

yeah, more than 95% of the jobs that have been created since the economic recovery started require college degrees

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/ ... -recovery/

This is an issue, certainly. There is a lost generation of people stemming from the 2008 crash. There are no Republican solutions, but we both know that. Beefing up college availability, along with technical schools, was a good start to preventing a future generation from being stuck. Expanding UC, social security, medicaid, etc could help those who simply will not find a job equivalent to their old $40 an hour no skills job.

Now? I have no clue how people like this will be helped.

I don't follow this stuff as closely as most of you, so forgive me if this is facile, but couldn't Hillary have campaigned way harder on the rising inequality in America and the dire need to protect those programs? Would that have cost her votes? Bumper sticker shit like under 200K, tax cut, over 200K, tax increase. #200K

Feel like all I really heard from her from the past two months were those Trump soundbite commercials

yeah, that's what lifted bernie

JUburton wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:Spot. Fucking. On.

The world is changing faster than ever, and Donald Trump’s campaign tapped into concern about where that change is taking the country. Many of the campaign’s central issues—jobs, globalization and immigration—had in common that they were rooted, in large part, in technological change.

Uber Technologies Inc. and others are testing self-driving trucks. That augurs trouble for the 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S., who hold some of the best-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree.

The setting for Mr. Trump’s critiques of American capitalism was often a closed or soon-to-be-closed factory.

But, thanks to advances in automation, there’s little evidence that bringing factories back to the U.S. would lead to significantly more jobs. The dollar value of what Americans make goes up every year, but the share of Americans who make those goods continues to decline. It was 8.7% of working Americans last year, down from a postwar high of nearly one in three in the 1950s.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-populis ... 1478814305

It's a scary time for a lot of people because of this. My cousin doesn't have a college degree and has worked in the restaurant industry his entire adult life. He's in his 40's now and is absolutely terrified that his options for work are dwindling.

The stress and anxiety people feel is real.

the problem is that republican policies do not fix these issues and will not suddenly bring back the glory manufacturing days.

I didn't say they would nor do I believe it.

But I also think Democrats have to take some responsibility for this. I feel like they've lost sight of what it means to be middle class (or working class) in this country. Every time they encourage people to go to college, I know they mean well, but there's someone somewhere (in many cases big cities like NYC and Philly) who doesn't have that option. This concept of wanting everyone to go to school so they can make good money at a white collar job is elitist to many who feel disenfranchised. Where are the jobs for people who can't go to school?

She definitely could have, but they went with "It's Her Turn" as a motto, which just sort of highlighted how entrenched in the establishment she is.

the campaign went all in on identity politics. most of us agree that stuff is really important but I have no clue why they just ignored the economy for the most part

they didn't even bother to say, "Look, Dem president, economy good, Republican pres, economy bad, Dem president, economy getting better again!"

Harry Reid is not leaving with a whimper. Thank you Harry.

JUburton wrote:the problem is that republican policies do not fix these issues and will not suddenly bring back the glory manufacturing days.

Agreed, and I honestly believe that many of the white working class agree too, which shows you how desperate that demographic truly is right now. They are willing to deceive themselves into believing that someone can stem the tide of automation and globalization and somehow return them to the 1950s.

I finished Hillbilly Elegy today, and one of the most striking points was about many in the white working class who simply refuse to look in the mirror and accept reality. It's easier to blame anyone - Obama, "the illegals", etc. vs. accepting the scary truth that the lives their grandparents and parents relied on thanks to large, stable, generous manufacturing corporations simply is not a realistic option moving forward.

I also think the anxiety comes from the brain drain within these fiercely loyal areas. I lived in a small town in NEPA for parts of last year and saw this firsthand - most in my generation who left for college did not return, many now living in greater Philadelphia. Most of those who never left are not in position to improve the town, meanwhile changing demographics are causing anxiety for those whose families have lived there for generations.

It's some scary shit. I get the anxiety. And to paraphrase a previous post here, I think many voted for Trump simply because he was the only voice speaking for them, regardless of the collateral damage that a Trump presidency may cause.

Meanwhile, protestors in urban America, many of whom probably don't know a single person who voted for Trump, are shocked that Trump could somehow be president without considering how a wounded animal will react if you back it into a corner.

Just shows you how divided the U.S. is right now, and I can't blame either side because they have absolutely zero interaction with each other and no actual reason to foster interaction.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

JUburton wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:Spot. #$!&@. On.

The world is changing faster than ever, and Donald Trump’s campaign tapped into concern about where that change is taking the country. Many of the campaign’s central issues—jobs, globalization and immigration—had in common that they were rooted, in large part, in technological change.

Uber Technologies Inc. and others are testing self-driving trucks. That augurs trouble for the 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S., who hold some of the best-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree.

The setting for Mr. Trump’s critiques of American capitalism was often a closed or soon-to-be-closed factory.

But, thanks to advances in automation, there’s little evidence that bringing factories back to the U.S. would lead to significantly more jobs. The dollar value of what Americans make goes up every year, but the share of Americans who make those goods continues to decline. It was 8.7% of working Americans last year, down from a postwar high of nearly one in three in the 1950s.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-populis ... 1478814305

It's a scary time for a lot of people because of this. My cousin doesn't have a college degree and has worked in the restaurant industry his entire adult life. He's in his 40's now and is absolutely terrified that his options for work are dwindling.

The stress and anxiety people feel is real.

the problem is that republican policies do not fix these issues and will not suddenly bring back the glory manufacturing days.

I didn't say they would nor do I believe it.

But I also think Democrats have to take some responsibility for this. I feel like they've lost sight of what it means to be middle class (or working class) in this country. Every time they encourage people to go to college, I know they mean well, but there's someone somewhere (in many cases big cities like NYC and Philly) who doesn't have that option. This concept of wanting everyone to go to school so they can make good money at a white collar job is elitist to many who feel disenfranchised. Where are the jobs for people who can't go to school?

Poor people are largely Democratic.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:the campaign went all in on identity politics. most of us agree that stuff is really important but I have no clue why they just ignored the economy for the most part

they didn't even bother to say, "Look, Dem president, economy good, Republican pres, economy bad, Dem president, economy getting better again!"

Agreed. Podesta should never get near a Dem campaign again.

I've said in the past I think she'd be a good president but she's a bad campaigner. I know Dajafi has hated what they embraced as their messaging and he knows his stuff.

JUburton wrote:its great to see zuckerberg taking responsibility for his platform that almost encourages the spread of misinformation. its called a news feed but they're not in the business of media, no way!

I think he's scummy, and I wish he'd take more blame, but policy wise there's nothing they can really do. You can't discourage the sharing of low quality sites by some sort of technology, because then small businesses, bloggers, etc. cant share their content either.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

JUburton wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:Spot. #$!&@. On.

The world is changing faster than ever, and Donald Trump’s campaign tapped into concern about where that change is taking the country. Many of the campaign’s central issues—jobs, globalization and immigration—had in common that they were rooted, in large part, in technological change.

Uber Technologies Inc. and others are testing self-driving trucks. That augurs trouble for the 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S., who hold some of the best-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree.

The setting for Mr. Trump’s critiques of American capitalism was often a closed or soon-to-be-closed factory.

But, thanks to advances in automation, there’s little evidence that bringing factories back to the U.S. would lead to significantly more jobs. The dollar value of what Americans make goes up every year, but the share of Americans who make those goods continues to decline. It was 8.7% of working Americans last year, down from a postwar high of nearly one in three in the 1950s.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-populis ... 1478814305

It's a scary time for a lot of people because of this. My cousin doesn't have a college degree and has worked in the restaurant industry his entire adult life. He's in his 40's now and is absolutely terrified that his options for work are dwindling.

The stress and anxiety people feel is real.

the problem is that republican policies do not fix these issues and will not suddenly bring back the glory manufacturing days.

I didn't say they would nor do I believe it.

But I also think Democrats have to take some responsibility for this. I feel like they've lost sight of what it means to be middle class (or working class) in this country. Every time they encourage people to go to college, I know they mean well, but there's someone somewhere (in many cases big cities like NYC and Philly) who doesn't have that option. This concept of wanting everyone to go to school so they can make good money at a white collar job is elitist to many who feel disenfranchised. Where are the jobs for people who can't go to school?

We must fight for a $15 min wage in many areas and for a beefy social safety net. The work must continue. We can change our local government so easily.

Grotewold wrote:

pacino wrote:This is an issue, certainly. There is a lost generation of people stemming from the 2008 crash. There are no Republican solutions, but we both know that. Beefing up college availability, along with technical schools, was a good start to preventing a future generation from being stuck. Expanding UC, social security, medicaid, etc could help those who simply will not find a job equivalent to their old $40 an hour no skills job.

Now? I have no clue how people like this will be helped.

I don't follow this stuff as closely as most of you, so forgive me if this is facile, but couldn't Hillary have campaigned way harder on the rising inequality in America and the dire need to protect those programs? Would that have cost her votes? Bumper sticker #$!&@ like under 200K, tax cut, over 200K, tax increase. #200K

Feel like all I really heard from her from the past two months were those Trump soundbite commercials

Many in the regions that carried this election remember Obama's comments about "clinging to guns and religion" plus HRC's comments about coal. HRC won among those with the lowest incomes.

What this election was about, IMO, boils down to the anxiety of the white working class for what lies ahead. They're not as worried about the income aspect as they are simply about losing comfort in majority status.

Their employment options require more education & "social capital", their towns are becoming more diverse, and their kids are increasingly at risk to substance abuse (the amount of heroin-related headlines in Scranton, Harrisburg, etc. news sources is unreal). More help or government programs aren't what they want - they want to go back in time, essentially.

we're all mmqbing here (as we should to some degree) but i dont know how well the message comes from hillary clinton, or more precisely, the caricature of hillary clinton that now exists. shes a millionaire who cashed in on her politics with bill and gives secret speeches to goldman sachs. i believe she cares a lot about everyday americans but good luck convincing the people who need it most.