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For one, I'm not talking about Trump supporters--from exit polls we know Trump is getting support from all kinds of white people. I'm talking about common stereotypes liberal elitists like to indulge about people who are less educated and make less money than they do. I mean, it's great that people who live in lily white suburbs of Philadelphia feel better about themselves by looking down on people less fortunate than they do. Because there's no possible way living in what we might call a nice neighborhood with good schools has anything at all to do with racism--that's only something you find in the South or in trailer parks or something.

Just got back from Michael's with color sharpies a few poster boards, duct tape and a stick... Time to play! Going to see how many rallies and protests I get invited to.

Good for you!

You're not cool.

Just blew up a pic of "el chapo" saying borders and trump sucks!

MoBettle wrote:
Again, not saying that there are not a disproportionate amount of racist people that support trump. I'm saying that its a symptom of a larger problem. And focusing on the racism is counterproductive unless your goal is solely to engage liberals.

my goal, if I must have one, is at least trifold:

a) have drumpf deported
b) ridicule the intelligence and character of anyone who professes the slightest support for his "candidacy"
c) one day witness drumpf being punched repeatedly in his ugly pig face by a disabled Mormon Mexican woman

Whatever noble or ignoble issues, interests, or beliefs you may have, you may not assert them and simultaneously say "and oh yeah, I'm voting for drumpf". Because you're not serious, you're not credible, you're not deserving of another adult's attention if you do both things. One thing needs to go, and that is the last thing, if you want your views to be earnestly engaged with.

TenuredVulture wrote:For one, I'm not talking about Trump supporters--from exit polls we know Trump is getting support from all kinds of white people. I'm talking about common stereotypes liberal elitists like to indulge about people who are less educated and make less money than they do. I mean, it's great that people who live in lily white suburbs of Philadelphia feel better about themselves by looking down on people less fortunate than they do. Because there's no possible way living in what we might call a nice neighborhood with good schools has anything at all to do with racism--that's only something you find in the South or in trailer parks or something.

Not at all. I'm often reminded of this when one of my uncles who's typically pretty reasonable about everything gets a little nervous when he's alone inside an elevator with a black dude. He likes telling that story at holiday get-togethers.

azrider wrote:Just got back from Michael's with color sharpies a few poster boards, duct tape and a stick... Time to play! Going to see how many rallies and protests I get invited to.

Drawing a swastika?

TenuredVulture wrote:--from exit polls we know Trump is getting support from all kinds of white people.

His modal support is from white people with HS or less education. Mobile home residency has also been documented as disproportionately correlated with drumpfianism.

You keep trying to make the case that drumpf support does not skew. It does in fact.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

azrider wrote:Just got back from Michael's with color sharpies a few poster boards, duct tape and a stick... Time to play! Going to see how many rallies and protests I get invited to.

Drawing a swastika?

Actually racists for Sanders!

TenuredVulture wrote:For one, I'm not talking about Trump supporters--from exit polls we know Trump is getting support from all kinds of white people. I'm talking about common stereotypes liberal elitists like to indulge about people who are less educated and make less money than they do. I mean, it's great that people who live in lily white suburbs of Philadelphia feel better about themselves by looking down on people less fortunate than they do. Because there's no possible way living in what we might call a nice neighborhood with good schools has anything at all to do with racism--that's only something you find in the South or in trailer parks or something.

are poor black people allowed to look down on them for their racist views?

I agree you need to find ways to talk to people who might be republican and might be looking for an alternative, but I don't think any amount of dialogue will change a racist. The only thing that really works is contact and it's hard to get whites and blacks or other minorities together for geographical and other reasons.

But I don't think being silent helps much. So you can either mock or show outrage or ignore. Talking won't work on racists, I think the research shows that. Ignoring is dangerous. That leaves mocking and outrage and talking to the Republicans who might want to switch parties.

azrider wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

azrider wrote:Just got back from Michael's with color sharpies a few poster boards, duct tape and a stick... Time to play! Going to see how many rallies and protests I get invited to.

Drawing a swastika?

Actually racists for Sanders!

Elitist racists!

exit polls have consistently shown him winning most all income levels in most states, with a concentration in the lower end. he's still the favored son of those from all income levels in the Republican party. middle class and wealthy people also think 'we don't win anymore' or that we are 'pc' or that the economy is rigged for others that aren't them. that doesn't make them right (they're not), but they're there. ignoring this is simply wrong.

Damn... Everyone is going to figure me out! I have no bumper stickers on my car.

Monkeyboy wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:For one, I'm not talking about Trump supporters--from exit polls we know Trump is getting support from all kinds of white people. I'm talking about common stereotypes liberal elitists like to indulge about people who are less educated and make less money than they do. I mean, it's great that people who live in lily white suburbs of Philadelphia feel better about themselves by looking down on people less fortunate than they do. Because there's no possible way living in what we might call a nice neighborhood with good schools has anything at all to do with racism--that's only something you find in the South or in trailer parks or something.

are poor black people allowed to look down on them for their racist views?

I agree you need to find ways to talk to people who might be republican and might be looking for an alternative, but I don't think any amount of dialogue will change a racist. The only thing that really works is contact and it's hard to get whites and blacks or other minorities together for geographical and other reasons.

But I don't think being silent helps much. So you can either mock or show outrage or ignore. Talking won't work on racists, I think the research shows that. Ignoring is dangerous. That leaves mocking and outrage and talking to the Republicans who might want to switch parties.

By what you're writing, I'm have to assume you are clinging to the your cherished stereotype of low income white people as racist Trump supporters. And that means you're a big part of the problem.

azrider wrote:Damn... Everyone is going to figure me out! I have no bumper stickers on my car.

If you ever feel threatened, make sure you seek out that sheriff Joe Aprago. He'll protect you.

I wish it was only the trailer trash that was voting for him

TenuredVulture wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:For one, I'm not talking about Trump supporters--from exit polls we know Trump is getting support from all kinds of white people. I'm talking about common stereotypes liberal elitists like to indulge about people who are less educated and make less money than they do. I mean, it's great that people who live in lily white suburbs of Philadelphia feel better about themselves by looking down on people less fortunate than they do. Because there's no possible way living in what we might call a nice neighborhood with good schools has anything at all to do with racism--that's only something you find in the South or in trailer parks or something.

are poor black people allowed to look down on them for their racist views?

I agree you need to find ways to talk to people who might be republican and might be looking for an alternative, but I don't think any amount of dialogue will change a racist. The only thing that really works is contact and it's hard to get whites and blacks or other minorities together for geographical and other reasons.

But I don't think being silent helps much. So you can either mock or show outrage or ignore. Talking won't work on racists, I think the research shows that. Ignoring is dangerous. That leaves mocking and outrage and talking to the Republicans who might want to switch parties.

By what you're writing, I'm have to assume you are clinging to the your cherished stereotype of low income white people as racist Trump supporters. And that means you're a big part of the problem.

No, I have never said that and I don't believe it. Everyone is voting for Trump.

Do you not believe the research on what helps combat racism? It's contact. Talking and reading doesn't help much. Sorry if that's inconvenient.

But I don't think we should be courting racists. Being civil might help bring reasonable republicans, so I try to be reasonable. I don't recall ever describing my view as anything close to how you just described it.

I also get the sentiment of being outraged and mocking. It's hard not to mock someone who just said, "Go back to fucking Auschwitz." I'm more likely to shake my head in disgust than mock, but I get the feeling.

drsmooth wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:--from exit polls we know Trump is getting support from all kinds of white people.

His modal support is from white people with HS or less education. Mobile home residency has also been documented as disproportionately correlated with drumpfianism.

You keep trying to make the case that drumpf support does not skew. It does in fact.

Kind of a shitty article--fallacy of composition and all that.

TV, even rereading my post, I don't see how you could possibly read what you read into it. I didn't say anything about Trumpers being low income or anything close to that.