We'll see. My guess his support more regional than racial. I'm basing this on nothing so he'll probably lose MI.

The auto bailout vote was not a good moment for Bernie tonight. His argument about gun manufacturers seemed half-assed as well as if he was arguing it just to do so. And I won't even get into the "white people don't know what it feels like to live in the ghetto or be poor" comment. That made him look out of touch.

Hillary continues to show that she's the best candidate of anyone running in both parties.

Governor Rick Snyder ‏@onetoughnerd
In a few days, political candidates will be leaving Flint and Michigan. They will not be staying to help solve the crisis, but I am committed to the people of Flint.

Piece of shit.

He's the one who should be leaving.

let the free market sort it out, IMO

I actually thought Bernie did well last night.

Question for jh, and any other republicans on here-if you're a true conservative, and you're looking for someone whose not part of "the establishment," wouldn't that candidate be Cruz, whom the establishment hates?

what exactly is a 'true conservative'

Stripes wrote:Question for jh, and any other republicans on here-if you're a true conservative, and you're looking for someone whose not part of "the establishment," wouldn't that candidate be Cruz, whom the establishment hates?

My flavor of "conservative" is libertarian, which I see as small-govt fiscal conservative (Cruz does fine there) and social liberal (Cruz fails there). Cruz is pretty scary - I'd be torn if the general were Cruz v Hillary.

I'm not hung up on "establishment" or not. That's all crap, noise for novice voters.

I like Kasich #1, Rube #2.

srs question for the political scientists here. This has to be the furthest to the right a political party has ever strayed in a presidential election year right? The top three int he GOP are pretty far right.

JFLNYC wrote:He's the one who should be leaving.

Correct; for the closest federal prison. Forget resigning, that fucker should be arrested, convicted and jailed.

Soren wrote:srs question for the political scientists here. This has to be the furthest to the right a political party has ever strayed in a presidential election year right? The top three int he GOP are pretty far right.

and it may be the furthest left we've seen the dems as well

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:

Soren wrote:srs question for the political scientists here. This has to be the furthest to the right a political party has ever strayed in a presidential election year right? The top three int he GOP are pretty far right.

and it may be the furthest left we've seen the dems as well

Nah, not in historic terms or non-US terms. the platforms of 70s Democrats was further left.

Stripes wrote:Question for jh, and any other republicans on here-if you're a true conservative, and you're looking for someone whose not part of "the establishment," wouldn't that candidate be Cruz, whom the establishment hates?

It depends. Ted Cruz is certainly disliked by the amorphous 'establishment', but I'm not sure how much is because he's a True Conservative. There are plenty of really conservative GOP senators, and none of them have endorsed Ted Cruz. I think that has more to do with the fact that he's a preening douchebag than any policy proposals he supports. Rubio ran as the anti-establishment guy in 2010, knocking sitting GOP Gov. Charlie Crist, who had been endorsed by the NRSC, from the race. So far he's had tons more establishment money spent against him than anyone else (though finally the gap is closing with the arriving anti-Trump artillery). But unlike Cruz, he's not a self righteous prick, and he gets along with his colleagues, so he's getting a lot of backing from fellow elected officials.

Part of the reason I much prefer Rubio to Cruz even though they're pretty similar on the issues is I think Rubio would be an effective president selling his proposals to the American people and building bridges to Capitol Hill needed to get things enacted. Cruz only has one note, and that's preaching to the already converted. But we've reached a point with a lot of conservative media (and subsequently conservative voters) that having the right enemies is seen as more of a validator for support than having the right allies, so Cruz is better than Rubio because he's loathed by the left and by the GOP establishment. 1) Piss everyone off, including natural allies; 2) ...?; 3) Get elected president and govern effectively. It's nuts, and the worst part is it isn't even close to being our worst option.

Soren wrote:srs question for the political scientists here. This has to be the furthest to the right a political party has ever strayed in a presidential election year right? The top three int he GOP are pretty far right.

It's hard to place Trump on a scale because he has no governing record and his issue statements are all over the goddamn place. Cruz certainly and Rubio to a lesser extent are historically far right.

jerseyhoya wrote:

Soren wrote:srs question for the political scientists here. This has to be the furthest to the right a political party has ever strayed in a presidential election year right? The top three int he GOP are pretty far right.

It's hard to place Trump on a scale because he has no governing record and his issue statements are all over the goddamn place. Cruz certainly and Rubio to a lesser extent are historically far right.

It's weird to me, that fact against the narrative that our country has drifted to the far left.

I think that the narrative is more accurately that the country has drifted far from the center.

More like the country has just drifted.

missin you pangea