Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Mon Mar 07, 2016 15:55:39

jerseyhoya wrote:Maybe after Rubio drops out we can draft Peyton Manning. He probably knows at least as much about policy as Trump.



and as much about sexual harrassment!

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Squire » Mon Mar 07, 2016 18:05:08

Bloomberg just announced on twitter that he will NOT run.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Mon Mar 07, 2016 18:49:56

TenuredVulture wrote:
Soren wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Trump's a racist, but he's probably the most economically populist R candidate we've had for quite some time. Remember, Orval Faubus was a pink diaper baby.


Trump's brand of far right is more on the social side.


Even that sort of depends.


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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Mon Mar 07, 2016 19:01:34

Squire wrote:Bloomberg just announced on twitter that he will NOT run.

The question all of the Beltway and no one else in the country wanted an answer to.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby SK790 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 21:02:25


No, we're just a lazy generation. Has nothing to do with wealth inequality and college tuition being extremely high and wages being incredibly low (roughly the same for us since the 80s!). It's that we're lazy and spoiled. Unlike Gen Xers and the Baby Boomers who could work a part time job in the summer to buy a brand new car.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby SK790 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 21:34:36

JUburton wrote:
SK790 wrote:
JUburton wrote:I think that the narrative is more accurately that the country has drifted far from the center.

Another bad narrative!

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
Sorry, I meant the electorate.

This is more accurate, and I don't have any evidence to support this, but I think that most people are further left than your average member of Congress, especially economically. The right has been getting dumb racists and ultra religious people to vote against their best economic interests for decades.

Then again, from scanning the polls on isidewith, I'm surprised how conservative most people are economically. We've built up a gross mentality as a country where it's more common to want to shame those below us economically than help them out. 80% of people polled (SS ~2MM) think you should have to work to get welfare, as if there isn't constant unemployment that makes it difficult for the poorest people to be constantly employed. The Welfare Queen narrative really set us down a dangerous path...
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby smitty » Tue Mar 08, 2016 02:09:37

SK790 wrote:

No, we're just a lazy generation. Has nothing to do with wealth inequality and college tuition being extremely high and wages being incredibly low (roughly the same for us since the 80s!). It's that we're lazy and spoiled. Unlike Gen Xers and the Baby Boomers who could work a part time job in the summer to buy a brand new car.


The college tuition thing is a huge problem. After I graduated from Penn State in 1979, I owed zero. Tough to do anything close to that today.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 08, 2016 07:44:01

Ay yi yi on this export/import bank misinformation
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Tue Mar 08, 2016 07:57:57

HEY BUT YOU WORKED IN THE COLLEGE CAFETERIA 6 HOURS A WEEK TO PAY YOUR WAY THROUGH COLLEGE NOT LIKE THESE KIDS TODAY WHO WANTED EVERYTHING HANDED TO THEM

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Tue Mar 08, 2016 07:59:01

pacino wrote:Ay yi yi on this export/import bank misinformation



well don't just throw this out there blind

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 08, 2016 08:50:50

it gives out loans to foreign companies to buy american-made goods. it was created by conservative demagogue Franklin Delano Roosevelt. this even includes companies which are big, thus the controversy. boeing got helped, as have oil companies (thus it gets environmentalists against it), what with them being american companies and people wanting to buy their products and all. it helps plenty of small and medium-sized businesses, as well. it boosts sales and keeps plenty of businesses going and NOT leaving the country.

it costs the american taxpayer nothing but Sanders has aligned it with the idea that special interests have 'bought' things and that it's corporate welfare. he's been praised by like liberal icons like Charles Koch and has aligned himself with Ted Cruz on the issue. They call it crony capitalism. If you read that piece Koch is trying a new tactic with his deregulation scheme, trying to posit it as helping poor people and 'unrigging' the system. Sanders misinforms his supporters when he aligns himself in thought that lends credibility to this crap.

Obviously I have peppered this with snarky opinion, but I get tired of having to defend things that do nothing but help American businesses from my own side, let alone from the other side. Learn about it straight from its own website. i'm sure others here disagree.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 08, 2016 09:10:35

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Mar 08, 2016 09:23:31

a few meaningful primaries today.

R: Hawaii (Caucus), Idaho, Mississippi, Michigan

D: Miss, Michigan

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 08, 2016 09:26:53

look at how dumb Bloomberg's people were. they thought he'd carry some southern states

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i wish dajafi was here to explain this Bloomberg mess to me. i don't get how out of touch with the electorate the people around him were.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JUburton » Tue Mar 08, 2016 09:29:32

Probably paid that garbage firm six figures to basically pull states out of a hat.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby thephan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:01:42

smitty wrote:
SK790 wrote:

No, we're just a lazy generation. Has nothing to do with wealth inequality and college tuition being extremely high and wages being incredibly low (roughly the same for us since the 80s!). It's that we're lazy and spoiled. Unlike Gen Xers and the Baby Boomers who could work a part time job in the summer to buy a brand new car.


The college tuition thing is a huge problem. After I graduated from Penn State in 1979, I owed zero. Tough to do anything close to that today.


It is completely outrageous. The professor ranks are not making out well because the tenure scenario where it was thought that academia would just fade away and still get paid has been replaced by a terrible wage that seems pretty unlivable for most. You could make a couple of thousand per class as an adjunct these day, so keep the day job. It is seriously not worth it to get into that game. But universities have cafe's and rock walls and all kinds of other crap for student life, that is nothing like life after college, so those are terrible investments. The community college near my house has been on a huge building and buying spree, so that seems like the investment strategy, but it seems flawed as well as that education path is becoming more expensive. Lousy.

So I did some quick checking and my education cost only increased by about 25% including room and board. I think most places are more then 50% more expensive in todays dollars. That remains a bargain. Like Smitty, I worked a few jobs rounding up to full time hours and paid as I went, but you could not do that today. Fact is that there are places like GWU in DC that are close to $70K/year. It is hard to see the ROI there with a retail price of ~$250K, because almost everyone needs to finance a part of that, even if there is a break (i.e., actual price. So if the debt load is $100K, that is a horrible place to start. It is complected by bad majors that will take forever to get over that hump.

On the upside, the horrific job market that greeted the first batch of Millennials is changing as Boomer retire. I think I saw that Accenture hired 40K Millennials last year. I know that Millennials are the largest demographic. Heck, there are more jobs then people/applicants. There is a DC company has like 5500 openings.

One thing to reconcile is what a starting salary is. My 2016 equivalent would be about $45k, the reality is that the market dictates $60-65K, but the ask with zero experience has often been $100K (equiv dollars is ~$57K when I graduated). We are starting to try to ask expectations before the interview so we can just skip the big demands/wasting my time. Maybe, just maybe with a masters from a big research school we could do that, but not a bachelors.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:13:08

CalvinBall wrote:a few meaningful primaries today.

R: Hawaii (Caucus), Idaho, Mississippi, Michigan

D: Miss, Michigan

Seems probable that it will be a bad night for my hero. He could do OK in Idaho and Hawaii but The Narrative will be set with him continuing to bleed to Cruz in MS and Kasich in MI (though Kasich has basically lived in Michigan for three weeks). If Cruz finishes ahead of Kasich in Michigan that will be very impressive.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:16:09

drumpf already squealing like a stuck pig

Imagine the noises he'll make while he's bleeding out
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:26:14

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:a few meaningful primaries today.

R: Hawaii (Caucus), Idaho, Mississippi, Michigan

D: Miss, Michigan

Seems probable that it will be a bad night for my hero. He could do OK in Idaho and Hawaii but The Narrative will be set with him continuing to bleed to Cruz in MS and Kasich in MI (though Kasich has basically lived in Michigan for three weeks). If Cruz finishes ahead of Kasich in Michigan that will be very impressive.

Cruz is pushing hard in Florida now, opening offices and trying to take away from Rubio.
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