Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Mar 08, 2016 14:05:21

pacino wrote:Bloomberg's ideas on foreign policy (the few he's ever given), privacy, the way he wants to gut SS and medicare, and the way the NYPD ran under him are all fairly disqualifying if he were to run as a Democrat. Clinton receives grief for a cozy relationship with Goldman-Sachs but Bloomberg is almost quite literally buddies and runs an organization that basically IS Wall Street. He's disqualified from the Republican ticket because he believes in equality for LGBT and is one of the most anti-firearm politicians in the US. it would be incredibly difficult for himself to even divest himself of his holdings in order to avoid impropriety. Hardly any significant part of the populace actually holds his mix of views and they are only moderate to themselves.

i also don't think he's very likeable or a good campaigner. he has a lot of money. he did a few good things for NYC. he then used his money to change the rules for himself. he's no savior or better than anyone else.


Bloomberg is just terrible. In addition to all that Pac mentioned, he's practically a caricature of a nanny state liberal, which really means he's just another authoritarian, though of a different genus than Trump. I mean, I don't know why anyone wants a 44 oz soda, but I don't know if government bans on such things are appropriate. What if they came after 11% abv beer next?
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby The Dude » Tue Mar 08, 2016 14:18:46

our alcohol is already heavily regulated :q
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby MoBettle » Tue Mar 08, 2016 14:29:33

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MoBettle wrote:Government regulation is also some part of the reason that college administrations have ballooned so much over the years. As well as schools trying to provide a lot more services than they did in the past.

That's a pretty underrated cost, it's not just buildings, there's a lot more mouths to feed than there used to be.


To be sure--I referenced the ballooning costs in "student affairs" in my initial post. There's a small army of people supervising dorms, counseling students, entertaining them and so forth. And, as I noted above, I've been told that parents really like hearing about all the student support services that are available.

I do see this as a problem not just in terms of costs, but I think all those people really retard the development of students into adults. They are denied real leadership opportunities for one, and in many cases those leadership opportunities turn into jobs--a student who runs a successful campus concert series is well positioned to do that work professionally for instance. On a more everyday level, the amount of adult supervision means students leave college without basic conflict resolution skills.

Definitely. And it's not all crazy boondoggles. I'm under the impression that there weren't many financial aid or career services departments 30 years ago. The parts of the school that handle disciplinary procedures have ballooned. There's also a lot more regulations on schools like Title IX that require more people that know what they're doing. It's probably good that schools provide most of these things, but they do drive costs up.

In addition to hand holding, I think these schools are legitimately concerned that leaving some of this stuff in the hands of students will open them up to lawsuits. And it's easier to just over correct.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby traderdave » Tue Mar 08, 2016 15:18:34

Doll Is Mine wrote:So the religious nuts are now boycotting the Girl Scouts.

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The Girl Scouts organization sure isn’t what it used to be! St. Louis Archbishop Robert Carlson isn’t worried about being politically correct in letting people know about it either. He told church members and scout leaders that the Girl Scouts is wrong in their support of transgender rights and homosexuality and is not aligned with the teachings of his church. The archdiocese also revealed that a Girl Scout troop in Utah was formed specifically to reach out to transgendered youth and that the Girl Scouts celebrated the Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage on its Instagram and Twitter accounts. Archbishop Carlson is exactly right—the “ways of the world” are incompatible with biblical values. More church leaders need his boldness in speaking the truths that set those who follow God’s Word apart from the rest of the world. I don’t know about you, but I won’t be buying any Girl Scout cookies this year.


Just another example as to why I do not identify as Catholic anymore.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Tue Mar 08, 2016 15:20:23

Trump on his foreign policy team:

“Yes, there is a team. There’s not a team. I’m going to be forming a team. I’ve met with far more than three people, and I’ll be forming a team at the appropriate time.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop- ... z42LC1dY86
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 08, 2016 15:21:25

he also is still running out the line that he 'doesn't want to the enemy to know what's coming' as far as why he won't give his strategy on ISIS, Syria and more
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby traderdave » Tue Mar 08, 2016 15:52:18

Certainly explains why he has not offered up a single rational thought on foreign policy nearly nine full months into his campaign.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Tue Mar 08, 2016 15:55:27

WHICH PART OF 'MEXICO IS GONNA PAY FOR IT' DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Mar 08, 2016 16:40:23

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Mar 08, 2016 16:50:18

A Bush brother just joined the Cruz finance team. I'm assuming this is a sign of the establishment beginning to begrudgingly embrace Cruz.

I'm fairly certain that Cruz would be a dumpster fire of a president, but with a good chance of taking down Hillary in November. I might go ahead and start rooting for Trump if Cruz is the alternative.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Mar 08, 2016 17:22:54

With Cruz, you get a guy on the far right, but a sane guy.

He is SOOOO much less harmful than Drumpf would be. I really don't want the American Mussolini, nor should anyone.

I don't like Cruz one bit. But I don't fear that he'd ruin the nation.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Mar 08, 2016 17:32:40

Carpet bombing without regard for civilians, making desert sands glow. Not the words of a sane man.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Mar 08, 2016 17:33:19

REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION

Donald Trump 8/15
Ted Cruz 3/1
John Kasich 7/1
Marco Rubio 10/1
Paul Ryan 33/1
Mitt Romney 40/1
Ben Carson 200/1
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Mar 08, 2016 17:34:28

JFLNYC wrote:Carpet bombing without regard for civilians, making desert sands glow. Not the words of a sane man.


By "carpet bombing desert sands" he was referring only to Drumpf's rug/combover
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Mar 08, 2016 18:02:10

TenuredVulture wrote:....he's practically a caricature of a nanny state liberal, which really means he's just another authoritarian, though of a different genus than Trump....


He'd be outraged at comparisons to drumpf...but just replay him vidclips of his cops' treatment of Occupy protesters. He may be even weirder than drumpf - & more state than nanny.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Mar 08, 2016 18:29:42

David Brooks describes Cruz's style as "oleaginous".

You can probably guess that you don't need those
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 08, 2016 18:29:51

Two national polls out today from ABC/Washington Post and NBC/WSJ with Trump at 34% and 30% respectively. It's amazing. You attack a person and their numbers go down!

The folks who went directly from assuming Trump would go away on his own, so why attack him? to attacks against Trump won't work/he's got an insurmountable lead/guaranteed nominee, so why attack him? were the worst folks.

He's not dead and will probably win Michigan and Mississppi (at least) tonight, but he is mortal and he has been wounded.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Mar 08, 2016 18:49:46

Trump has gotten 35% of the vote so far though, kind of spot on.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Mar 08, 2016 18:59:49

The Nightman Cometh wrote:
I'm fairly certain that Cruz would be a dumpster fire of a president, but with a good chance of taking down Hillary in November.

Dan Pffeifer thinks literally the opposite, so I'm probably dumb.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Mar 08, 2016 19:02:57

As farked up as the GOP is, I just cannot imagine they get to the Convention, TinyHands has less than 50%, and they somehow put a crown on that orange trashbin. No way.

Kasich gathering steam here.........
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