Bill McNeal wrote:I just don't like Hillary. At all, I don't think she would be a good president, she reminds me of John McCain in 2008, desperate.

I really like Bernie, and that's who I want as president honestly, I think this country could use a socialist turn. As for Romney, I don't agree with all of his views, but I think he's honest. I'd rather have a person who I think is honest in the white house than someone who will say whatever they have to say to get elected then adjust course. As for Kasich, I don't know anything about him, my comment on him was just that I want to understand his platform. I liked the way he handled himself in the last republican debate, but I don't know what he stands for. So I wanna know.

Kasich has a long, established career of being a pretty orthodox if not radical conservative. His "I'm a centrist" bit is a classic political ploy.

Romney is what he is - a fiscal conservative who will make a show of being conservative on social issues, and, if pushed to do so by the political situation, probably would be fairly conservative on the social stuff (i.e., if he is egged on by a Republican House and Senate).

If your preferred candidate, all other things being equal, is Bernie Sanders, then don't let personal feelings about Hillary get in the way. I could take her or leave her as an individual, I have misgivings about the dynastic nature of her candidacy - but she or Bernie or Barack are not the point: it's the issues that matter, and Hillary was almost as reliable a left-of-center voter in her time in the senate as Bernie was. If you like Bernie because of what he says he'll do, then you *should* vote Clinton if it comes down to it - because anybody from the right side of the aisle is going to largely continue the very Republican economic and social theories that Sanders' campaign is expressly against.

Clinton gets Louisiana

Nebraska FEELS THE BERN

Trump will probably win Kentucky. Another horrible night for lil Marco.

The Democrats in-fighting is really pathetic.

BernieBro69: Hillary wins another state she has no chance in in the general.
HillBot2008: Bernie wins another all white state.

I'm no fan of HRC, but anyone voting for either in the primary should respect and vote for the other candidate in the event theirs loses. I don't understand the HRC voters obsession with calling all Bernie supporters misogynists. Moreover, the Bernie people need to knock it the fuck off with this "Hillary deserves to go to jail" narrative. It's so far down on the list if things to worry about, it's not even worth it. We need a President who will work bridge the income gap and be strong on race/queer issues. Either would be, at worst, fine if you agree with that.

I agree.

SK790 wrote:The Democrats in-fighting is really pathetic.

BernieBro69: Hillary wins another state she has no chance in in the general.
HillBot2008: Bernie wins another all white state.

I'm no fan of HRC, but anyone voting for either in the primary should respect and vote for the other candidate in the event theirs loses. I don't understand the HRC voters obsession with calling all Bernie supporters misogynists. Moreover, the Bernie people need to knock it the fuck off with this "Hillary deserves to go to jail" narrative. It's so far down on the list if things to worry about, it's not even worth it. We need a President who will work bridge the income gap and be strong on race/queer issues. Either would be, at worst, fine if you agree with that.

Stole for Facebook.

I'm sorry I got a little snarky last page(I know, me being snarky is very surprising), but the "Bernie is unelectable" narrative is a bad one and needs to stop. There's plenty of evidence that he's as or possibly more electable than HRC in the general. There's a sizable portion of the population that would vote for Bernie and not for HRC. As wrong as I think these people are, they exist, and it's not an insignificant number of people. Polls for months have suggested that he'd run better against anyone on the right and while these polls aren't perfect, several months of consistent polls are at least something to take into consideration.

There are plenty of reasons to vote for HRC over Bernie - she's got a lot of foreign policy experience whereas Bernie has none, she's seen as someone who can "get things done" which may or may not be a real thing, she'd be the first woman president, etc...Her being more electable is not a reason to vote for her.

The bad narratives need to stop within the party from both groups of supporters. The alternative is a mouthpiece of the Koch brothers, a guy who is more conservative than Goldwater, or Donald fucking Trump. Stop making up dumb shit to fight about when there's so much to ridicule coming from the other side.

something less serious, but also very scary:

Idiots.

I mean, people talk about even the prospect of President Trump (i.e., he is the nominee) as terribly frightening. Don't get me wrong, he sucks - but even the slightest chance of President Cruz genuinely terrifies me. I think if he had his way we'd be living in something damn close to a Christian caliphate.

Cruz will get destroyed in the general. When Ted Nugent and that Duck Dynasty dude appear at his rallies, it won't be pretty. Cruz hasn't been vetted by the American people yet. He will get exposed big time.

I just did the quiz on isidewith.com and am 95% Bernie (93% Hillary).

FEEL THE BERN!

Doll Is Mine wrote:Cruz will get destroyed in the general. When Ted Nugent and that Duck Dynasty dude appear at his rallies, it won't be pretty. Cruz hasn't been vetted by the American people yet. He will get exposed big time.

That's what I would hope, but frankly even seeing him nominated is too close for comfort. All it would then take is a sudden financial crisis or a real scandal (not a bullshit manufactured email scandal) involving HRC and suddenly you have President Cruz. That's like President Scalia without the charm or sense of humor, but with a strong streak of hard line fundamentalist Protestantism.

It's terrifying. I'd take Trump the clown every day and twice on Sunday over Cruz the Crusader.

slugsrbad wrote:I just did the quiz on isidewith.com and am 95% Bernie (93% Hillary).

FEEL THE BERN!

I just did it too.

Bernie Sanders 98%
Hillary Clinton 94%

slugsrbad wrote:I just did the quiz on isidewith.com and am 95% Bernie (93% Hillary).

FEEL THE BERN!

I side with:

Bernie 87%
Hillary 86%
Jill Stein 78%
Bloomberg 70%
Gary Johnson 62%
Trump 55%
Ted Cruz Asshole

I would've loved some exit polls tonight because my newly dearly beloved imploded so badly, I would like to know how much was tactical voting and how much was a change in preference. Massive narrative shift necessary between now and 3/15 for Marco to win Florida. Maybe he's a suicide bomb casualty for how he took on Trump? Worse ways to die, though obviously wish it wasn't so.

I guess the best outcome barring a resurgence is going to a convention where it is deadlocked between 40% Trump and 40% Cruz people and they have no reason to compromise (neither would want to be the other's VP) so the good party regulars rope in Mitt or (be still my beating heart) Paul D. Ryan as the compromise candidate.

But yeah, that's not gonna happen. This is not going the best.

jerseyhoya wrote:I would've loved some exit polls tonight because my newly dearly beloved imploded so badly, I would like to know how much was tactical voting and how much was a change in preference. Massive narrative shift necessary between now and 3/15 for Marco to win Florida. Maybe he's a suicide bomb casualty for how he took on Trump? Worse ways to die, though obviously wish it wasn't so.

I guess the best outcome barring a resurgence is going to a convention where it is deadlocked between 40% Trump and 40% Cruz people and they have no reason to compromise (neither would want to be the other's VP) so the good party regulars rope in Mitt or (be still my beating heart) Paul D. Ryan as the compromise candidate.

But yeah, that's not gonna happen. This is not going the best.

i'm sure you saw this by now, but for everyone else:

Nate Silver ✔ ‎@NateSilver538
LA election day votes, per my colleague @bycoffe:
Cruz 40.9%
Trump 40.5%
Rubio 9.4%
Kasich 6.8%
Note: a few precincts still outstanding.

Nate Silver ✔ ‎@NateSilver538
By comparison, Louisiana early votes:
Trump 46.7%
Cruz 22.9%
Rubio 20.1%
Kasich 3.7%

isidewith test:

Bernie: 99%
Jill Stein: 93%
Hillary: 92%
Bloomberg: 65%
Gary Johnson: 57%

On Feb 25, I posted the hopeful thought that Drumpf is a Bubble.

Today, I am more encouraged.

Hate Ted Cruz? He's doing a solid to all Americans. The Most Important Thing is stopping Drumpf. Even if Cruz steamrolls from here (unlikely), he'll be in the same boat as Donald - getting to Cleveland without a delegate majority.

Once you get to a brokered convention, you know the party regulars will want Marco/Kasich, not Drumpf the Fascist nor Cruz the Naricissist.