Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:09:00

Seems quite likely the deplorable Flint story will be a principal theme in the general election campaign
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby smitty » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:48:46

I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but did you guys see the Trump supporters doing the Hitler salute? Raising the right hand and trying to repeat the gibberish Trump blurted out. FFS. This guy can't be a Presidential Candidate. He does so much stuff without understanding the consequences. This was a vivid example.

He is in no way capable of being a president. He might be successful being the next Rush Limbaugh.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:00:47

if you read that vox authoritarianism piece, it's not surprising that the research into authoritarianism began when they were trying to figure out just exactly how Hitler got all them people to go along with his crazy.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby smitty » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:02:17

I did read that but I can't find it. Do you have a link, Bucky?
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby td11 » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:06:11

smitty wrote:I did read that but I can't find it. Do you have a link, Bucky?

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/tr ... itarianism
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:06:19

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/tr ... itarianism

This study of authoritarianism began shortly after World War II, as political scientists and psychologists in the US and Europe tried to figure out how the Nazis had managed to win such wide public support for such an extreme and hateful ideology.


Haha, kudos to the authors for successfully sidestepping Godwin's law

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:20:54

drsmooth wrote:Seems quite likely the deplorable Flint story will be a principal theme in the general election campaign


It's turning out that Flint's situation was simply an exceptionally egregious example of unsafe drinking water. Water companies have been gaming the testing regime for some time, and lots of people are probably drinking lots of bad stuff with their water. As this becomes a bigger story, I can't see how anyone on the R side can square their deregulation rhetoric with what I assume will be lots of people wanting stronger regulations and enforcement. It's one thing if it's an isolated issue affecting mostly poor black people, but when it turns out that no one is immune from this kind of thing, the political dynamic changes pretty dramatically.

Also, probably it's a good time to load up on stock in companies that make private home water filtration systems.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:21:52

td11 wrote:
smitty wrote:I did read that but I can't find it. Do you have a link, Bucky?

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/tr ... itarianism


This is some scary shit but I'm not surprised. The Republican party has enabled this for years and now they're paying for it.

It's going to be an ugly year in Republican politics and it will all come to a head at the convention. The party is shattered but I hope at the end of the day, the moderate Republicans join the Democrats in the general to defeat this movement. If they don't, they're only going to make things worse for this country.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:31:39

TenuredVulture wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Seems quite likely the deplorable Flint story will be a principal theme in the general election campaign


It's turning out that Flint's situation was simply an exceptionally egregious example of unsafe drinking water. Water companies have been gaming the testing regime for some time, and lots of people are probably drinking lots of bad stuff with their water. As this becomes a bigger story, I can't see how anyone on the R side can square their deregulation rhetoric with what I assume will be lots of people wanting stronger regulations and enforcement. It's one thing if it's an isolated issue affecting mostly poor black people, but when it turns out that no one is immune from this kind of thing, the political dynamic changes pretty dramatically.

Also, probably it's a good time to load up on stock in companies that make private home water filtration systems.


It's also incompetence on Rick Snyder's part. He's responsible for this and as a result, thousands have been poisoned and about 10 people have died. This is as bad as Katrina and even worse because it was a man-made disaster.

Some will try to point to other factors but the reality is that his administration put incompetent people in charge of Michigan towns and cities, replacing the actual elected officials. Mayors all over Michigan had no authority.

Unfortunately, the Emergency Manager of Flint along with the Governor's office switched to river water, as opposed to lake water, to save money and this is the result. Experts all over the state are pissed because they weren't consulted when this decision was made because they would have advised against it due to river water containing large amounts of lead, compared to lake water.

To make matters worse, for months experts were publicly speaking out about this and telling the Governer's office that the water in Flint is contaminated and Snyder and his crew ignored them or silenced them. In the meantime, they were telling the people in Flint there's nothing to worry about.

I can't see how Snyder survives this. The guy needs to resign.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:41:19

WHEN FOX TRIES TO TAKE DOWN BERNIE AND IT BLOWS UP IN THEIR FACE


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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby smitty » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:45:36

Thanks TD and Bucky. This makes sense to me.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby The Savior » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:46:41

Chuck Todd pulling no punches with Romney, who has handled this thing so poorly. Instead of just saying "I messed up 4 years ago when praising this guy," he's hedged. No idea why.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby slugsrbad » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:49:31

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:49:37

drumpf's ascendance has revived interest in Adorno et al's work on authoritarianism, but that work.... has lots of issues.

I can't deny it's appealing to suggest there's something "diagnosable", some thing clinically "wrong" with drumphians. I don't think the evidence confirms that, as a group, they're anything but not particularly intelligent.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:56:05

TenuredVulture wrote:
Also, probably it's a good time to load up on stock in companies that make private home water filtration systems.


Michael Burry's plan is a more flexible variant of that.


The political narrative on Flint does not favor Rs at all, and resonates for any socioeconomic stratum you choose.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:58:21

TV, I forgot to mention your boy Tetlock did a nice 10-15 minutes on On The Media this weekend. Kind of unfortunate title for the piece: Predictile Dysfunction.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:02:05

Bucky wrote:WHEN FOX TRIES TO TAKE DOWN BERNIE AND IT BLOWS UP IN THEIR FACE



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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:25:23

TomatoPie wrote:Hate Ted Cruz? He's doing a solid to all Americans. The Most Important Thing is stopping Drumpf. Even if Cruz steamrolls from here (unlikely), he'll be in the same boat as Donald - getting to Cleveland without a delegate majority.

Once you get to a brokered convention, you know the party regulars will want Marco/Kasich, not Drumpf the Fascist nor Cruz the Naricissist.

While this last bit may be true, if Cruz and Trump have the vast majority of the delegates between them, it's very likely one or the other will be the nominee. Cruz's people have run a very detail oriented campaign, so I'm sure his pledged delegates aren't just party regulars but Cruz partisans. The Trump people are a mixed bag, with some Trump true believers and party regulars who detest him. If Trump and Cruz get 70%+ of the delegates, I'd guess over half of the delegates will be firmly for one of those two. At that point math makes it pretty hard for one of them not to be the nominee (unless they're too stubborn to make a deal - plausible given who they are - opening the door to a Romney or Ryan compromise scenario more likely than a Rubio or Kasich being elevated).

In addition to that, unless one of Rubio/Kasich has a plausible argument why he is the more rightful nominee (super close in pledged delegates PLUS won all the states at the end? ahead in the polls among GOP voters?), I don't see the party folks abandoning Cruz for them if he's got more delegates. I expect and hope they'll fuck over Trump, but that's a lot harder to do with Cruz because he's actually a member of the party. You can 'steal' the nomination from Trump saying people who voted for Not Trump preferred other candidates to Trump/he's not a Republican/whatever. You can't really do that with Cruz, so his supporters would rightly lose their shit.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:38:59

Doll Is Mine wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Seems quite likely the deplorable Flint story will be a principal theme in the general election campaign


It's turning out that Flint's situation was simply an exceptionally egregious example of unsafe drinking water. Water companies have been gaming the testing regime for some time, and lots of people are probably drinking lots of bad stuff with their water. As this becomes a bigger story, I can't see how anyone on the R side can square their deregulation rhetoric with what I assume will be lots of people wanting stronger regulations and enforcement. It's one thing if it's an isolated issue affecting mostly poor black people, but when it turns out that no one is immune from this kind of thing, the political dynamic changes pretty dramatically.

Also, probably it's a good time to load up on stock in companies that make private home water filtration systems.


It's also incompetence on Rick Snyder's part. He's responsible for this and as a result, thousands have been poisoned and about 10 people have died. This is as bad as Katrina and even worse because it was a man-made disaster.

Some will try to point to other factors but the reality is that his administration put incompetent people in charge of Michigan towns and cities, replacing the actual elected officials. Mayors all over Michigan had no authority.

Unfortunately, the Emergency Manager of Flint along with the Governor's office switched to river water, as opposed to lake water, to save money and this is the result. Experts all over the state are pissed because they weren't consulted when this decision was made because they would have advised against it due to river water containing large amounts of lead, compared to lake water.

To make matters worse, for months experts were publicly speaking out about this and telling the Governer's office that the water in Flint is contaminated and Snyder and his crew ignored them or silenced them. In the meantime, they were telling the people in Flint there's nothing to worry about.

I can't see how Snyder survives this. The guy needs to resign.


The guy needs to be in jail.

Also, is no way the federal government should be involved in fixing the problem. The people of Michigan elected Snyder and they should be the ones paying for a solution.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Bucky » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:42:53

It has always struck me as extremely odd that the african-american community was always assumed to be in the bag for hillary. And it looks like her team has struggled to keep it that way with an onslaught of obfuscation.

http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/03/03/how-cl ... ghts-play/

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