Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (politics

Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 18:14:51

pacino wrote:It's pathetic.

Disgusting.

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Youseff » Wed Jan 20, 2016 18:44:57

Brantt wrote:
Youseff wrote:
Brantt wrote:
Youseff wrote:ok, well I've confirmed my preconceived belief that Trump fans are bigots and doofuses concerned with "PC culture" that cant defend their doofus beliefs.


Incredibly lazy and weak.

A complete bailout.

You seem to be on the same intellectual level as pacino.


These are not positive traits.


significantly above you?



Yet the crazy thing is you'd have to come to me to try to get a job. Pacino too.

I wouldn't hire either of you though. Too soft. If you were actually as smart as you thought you were, then you'd have something.

Feel the Berrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn.

Edit........just remember, if Trump doesn't get the nomination and somehow Bernie pulls it off, I'll be back on your "team." That's big. I need to be welcomed with open arms.


I'm sure whatever type of company you hire for I'm sure it's shit, unethical and horribly managed, and I'd have to take a paycut to work there. you legit can't defend anything anyone has asked you, and you legit seem like a really dumb guy.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jan 20, 2016 18:49:42

Brantt, I think what people don't understand (or at least what I don't understand) is how your top two picks can be Trump and Sanders. I assume you can't be voting based on policy positions because those two are completely opposed to each other. I think your stated reason is that you want someone from the outside, anyone from the outside to win. OK, but what about these two is from the outside? Sanders is a career politician and Trump is the poster boy for what the GOP insiders want -- concentrated wealth, people riled up about stupid social issues, and complete immunity from failure (except for poor people who just have to learn!!!). How many times has Trump filed bankruptcy?

Ultimately, which one of these candidates would tear down the current system? Trump? I really hope you don't think that. He's benefitted from the system as much or more than anyone, gaming it to his advantage and covering up his failures thanks to his vast wealth. Do you really think he'll tear things down? I think he'll build more walls to keep people from tearing it down. Rich people and the horrible money in the system will never be safer.

I agree that Bernie would try to make changes.... he's probably the only candidate that would. Hillary would make modest reform, at least pushing in the right direction, but the banks will be safe.

Anyway, I'm just trying to figure out if you really think Trump will do anything to change the system. I think that is really, really wrong and I'd like some kind of evidence that shows he'll do that. He says he's a Christian and all kinds of things, so him just saying he will tear it down will not be proof enough. I would love to see something tangible.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jan 20, 2016 18:50:55

Maybe we should stop the name-calling, guys. I mean, how bad is it when I have to say something? :-D
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Bucky » Wed Jan 20, 2016 18:58:44

Trump has a mental disorder that makes him a dangerous world leader

no, not propaganda, actual renowned psychologists.

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 20, 2016 19:05:01

Alright, reset
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby thephan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 19:25:04

Track Palin arrested for a bunch of domestic violence things with his girlfriend, including something with an AR-15 (threatening himself, or just waving it around is not too clear). Mom blows off Trump, but manages to push out that it is PTSD. Good old Dr. Mom. Maybe she can work for Campbell's.

** For the record: I am in no way doubting that PTSD is a problem, nor am I thinking that we are at all prepared for the mental health treatment that our society will need to deal with the problem. I am objecting to Sarah Palin jumping right in to not be accountable, and allowing that lack of accountability to spread to another one of her children.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Jan 20, 2016 20:26:00

the best is that during her Stump speech she gave with Trump; she had a thing to say that we should use our armed forces for what they do best; KILL ISIS.

so her son has a PTSD issue but she wants to send more troops into danger.

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 20, 2016 21:25:45

Some are blaming Obama.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Brantt » Wed Jan 20, 2016 22:22:01

Monkeyboy wrote:Brantt, I think what people don't understand (or at least what I don't understand) is how your top two picks can be Trump and Sanders. I assume you can't be voting based on policy positions because those two are completely opposed to each other. I think your stated reason is that you want someone from the outside, anyone from the outside to win. OK, but what about these two is from the outside? Sanders is a career politician and Trump is the poster boy for what the GOP insiders want -- concentrated wealth, people riled up about stupid social issues, and complete immunity from failure (except for poor people who just have to learn!!!). How many times has Trump filed bankruptcy?

Ultimately, which one of these candidates would tear down the current system? Trump? I really hope you don't think that. He's benefitted from the system as much or more than anyone, gaming it to his advantage and covering up his failures thanks to his vast wealth. Do you really think he'll tear things down? I think he'll build more walls to keep people from tearing it down. Rich people and the horrible money in the system will never be safer.

I agree that Bernie would try to make changes.... he's probably the only candidate that would. Hillary would make modest reform, at least pushing in the right direction, but the banks will be safe.

Anyway, I'm just trying to figure out if you really think Trump will do anything to change the system. I think that is really, really wrong and I'd like some kind of evidence that shows he'll do that. He says he's a Christian and all kinds of things, so him just saying he will tear it down will not be proof enough. I would love to see something tangible.


Good questions.......fair questions. And a rare legitimate post looking for discussion on here which is a rarity.

Some thoughts......

-Obviously I'm not voting based on ideologies. Personally, I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal (much like the majority of the country in my view).

-I'm not necessarily looking for someone to tear the system down, rather would just like to have a President in my lifetime who is not on the take from big money and actually governs the country based on what he genuinely thinks is best for the country and the citizens. Sadly, I don't think the system can be torn down....ever. I've given up on that. Strict term limits IMO is the only remedy and Congress would never pass a bill that takes away their livelihoods. Trump is beholden to nobody but himself since he takes no money from huge donors or PAC's. Bernie is similar and has built his campaign and career attacking the institutions which I feel are the true ruination of the political system. Both guys IMO would make decisions based on what they personally believe is the right thing to do. Obviously there are stark contrasts (although their trade plans are nearly identical), but I'm placing freedom to make heart felt decisions over ideology.

-In terms of Trump, I think you are stereotyping him a bit. He is obviously uber rich, but in general he despises the elite. The best description I've ever seen of him is he is Rodney Dangerfield's character from Caddyshack. He has so much money that he cannot be ignored, but he absolutely love to mess with and poke the elite who despise him in general (I would compare Jeb to Judge Smails). If nothing else, he is a deal maker and master negotiator. His book The Art of the Deal is a fantastic read and a must read for anyone in a leadership position. I think he's a highly intelligent guy who would run the country like it's a business.....a mindframe that is badly, badly needed IMO. I also think he's a very moderate candidate overall. He's far right on immigration and homeland security, but most of his economic policies are moderate to liberal. He's going right to try to win this nomination, but if he gets it, he'll immediately start coming back to the middle and be probably even more fiscally liberal than I would prefer. Obviously he is a master salesman who has manipulated the media brilliantly. I have no idea how he would do as President, but given what we've seen in the last 15 years, I'm ready to take the plunge.

-Trump has never declared bankruptcy personally. He's filed Chapter 11 with 4 of his companies in his career.

-In terms of Bernie, I'm a fan. I think he's a genuinely honest guy who truly believes in what he's doing. I agree completely with him and his views on Wall Street. I agree completely with him and his views on money in politics. I agree with him on a single-payer healthcare system. There's also a lot I disagree with him on, but I don't think it will matter because there's no way he'd get half the stuff passed he wants to. Again, Bernie to me is a guy who will govern by doing what he thinks is right rather than what those who buy and pay for politicians tell him to do. I respect that. I respect the courage and conviction he has to go out and take positions that some view as radical and crazy. I'm not aligned with him ideologically, but I have major respect for the guy.

-I think Hillary Clinton is Satan incarnate. She is everything that is wrong with politics and society wrapped into one human being.

Overall, I'm just ready to try something different. Trump is different. Bernie is different. If someone has no problem with how the country has been run the last 15 years they should vote for Hillary or Jeb (or anyone other than Bernie, Trump or Carson for that matter). I don't begrudge them for that or begrudge anyone for their opinions unlike morons like Youseff, oh he of the "tolerant left" who immediately turns to name calling and throwing tantrums like my 2 year old.

I actually think the bigger point here is this..........the rise of Donald Trump, and Bernie Sanders to lesser regard, is directly attributable to a complete and total lack of leadership in both parties in this country. It's absolutely embarrassing how we got to this point and both sides are now finally figuring out they may have to finally pay the bill for the complete corruption and greed that has been prioritized over everything else in the last few decades.

Anyway, that's the brief answer. This conversation is the ultimate "discuss over a beer" topic. Maybe Youseff and I can get together sometime and then head to a Bernie rally!!!!!!
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Bucky » Wed Jan 20, 2016 23:02:56

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby drsmooth » Wed Jan 20, 2016 23:40:20

Brantt wrote:....name calling and throwing tantrums...


why so down on Youseff, when this is essentially the governing 'platform' (and the essence of every one of his "policies", for that matter) of your candidate of choice?
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Youseff » Wed Jan 20, 2016 23:49:07

its kind of cool the dumbest guy on this board is a Trump fan.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Thu Jan 21, 2016 09:22:03

they're scared, very scared:
Rep. Graham Hunt, a conservative from Orting, Wash., wants to go even farther in correcting what he also considers a “grave overstep by a government agency.”

“Repealing is great because it undoes what happened,” Hunt told The Daily Signal minutes before dropping his own bill addressing the updated rules. “But I don’t think it preserves or protects to prevent this from happening again in another way.”

On Wednesday at the state capitol, Hunt introduced a bill that bans transgender individuals from using bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, or saunas if such individuals are “preoperative, nonoperative, or otherwise [have] genitalia of a different gender from that for which the facility is segregated.”

“I’ve tried to make this about the genitalia,” Hunt said bluntly. “If you don’t have the parts…if you don’t have the plumbing, then you don’t go in.”

The legislation includes exceptions for parents and caretakers of minors or persons with disabilities, and enforcement, he said, “would be complaint driven.”
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Brantt » Thu Jan 21, 2016 09:45:10

drsmooth wrote:
Brantt wrote:....name calling and throwing tantrums...


why so down on Youseff, when this is essentially the governing 'platform' (and the essence of every one of his "policies", for that matter) of your candidate of choice?


Nah, Trump's go to market strategy, and my message board strategy for years is always throw the second punch. That way outbursts are completely justified since you didn't start the altercation or deterioration of the argument and you can always fall back on playing the victim if need be.

Simple stuff. But you also have to come hard at all times. That's where Youseff falters. My vision of him is the kid from the "leave Brittany alone" videos.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Thu Jan 21, 2016 09:55:36

pacino wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
Iowa Governor Terry Branstad wrote:Defeat Ted Cruz

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/terry-branstad-ted-cruz-defeat/index.html

known liberal!

i love that reason he dislikes Cruz is because Cruz supports one massive subsidy to a set of corporations (oil) while he supports a completely different massive subsidy to a different set of corporations (ethanol/corn). pathetic

ethanol makes 'free market' republicans forget about the free market:
It takes about 29 percent more energy to refine a gallon of ethanol than gasoline, and that process is often fueled by dirty sources like coal. Factor in the emissions generated during this production process, and ethanol sometimes comes in less green than old-fashioned gasoline. On top of that, burning ethanol also emits higher quantities of the chemical compounds that produce smog.

It takes about 29 percent more energy to refine a gallon of ethanol than gasoline. Then again, perhaps it’s not surprising that Trump likes federal support of ethanol. After all, the real-estate mogul’s business model has historically hinged on using tax abatements and other subsidies to make his building projects profitable.

(An example: As we reported in August, Trump Tower — which features a Gucci store Trump claimed was “worth more money than Romney” — has received a $163.775 million tax break from the city of New York.)

Many of Trump’s constituents have rejected the so-called Republican establishment because of its corrupt preferential treatment for Wall Street and Big Business. But Trump’s support for ethanol belies his populist Main Street rhetoric. In reality, he’s just another rich, East Coast politician who would prop up special interests at the expense of the taxpayer

From the liberal National Review
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby SK790 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:17:59

Brantt wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
Brantt wrote:....name calling and throwing tantrums...


why so down on Youseff, when this is essentially the governing 'platform' (and the essence of every one of his "policies", for that matter) of your candidate of choice?


Nah, Trump's go to market strategy, and my message board strategy for years is always throw the second punch. That way outbursts are completely justified since you didn't start the altercation or deterioration of the argument and you can always fall back on playing the victim if need be.

Simple stuff. But you also have to come hard at all times. That's where Youseff falters. My vision of him is the kid from the "leave Brittany alone" videos.

Sounds like some great presidential qualities.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:28:03

SK790 wrote:
Brantt wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
Brantt wrote:....name calling and throwing tantrums...


why so down on Youseff, when this is essentially the governing 'platform' (and the essence of every one of his "policies", for that matter) of your candidate of choice?


Nah, Trump's go to market strategy, and my message board strategy for years is always throw the second punch. That way outbursts are completely justified since you didn't start the altercation or deterioration of the argument and you can always fall back on playing the victim if need be.

Simple stuff. But you also have to come hard at all times. That's where Youseff falters. My vision of him is the kid from the "leave Brittany alone" videos.

Sounds like some great presidential qualities.


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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Phred » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:40:54

Brantt wrote:I'm not necessarily looking for someone to tear the system down, rather would just like to have a President in my lifetime who is not on the take from big money and actually governs the country based on what he genuinely thinks is best for the country and the citizens.


I try to stay out of the politics thread because, quite frankly, I rarely know enough to be able to verbalize a defense of my positions. However...

Barak Obama:

AMA went against the insurance companies
2015 Executive Actions on Gun Control goes against the NRA (and gun manufacturers)
Got marriage equality passed

He certainly seems like he is trying to do what he genuinely thinks is best for the country and the citizens and not based on the big money.
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