"Refugees are pouring into our great country from Syria. We don't even know who they are. They could be ISIS, they could be anybody. What's our president doing, is he insane?"

"You're going to have to watch and study the mosques," Trump said, "because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques...Under the old regime we had tremendous surveillance going around and in the mosques in New York City."

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:I don't get those memes as it's the republican congress that refuses to bring any bills for spending to help vets, hell they won't even extend the first responders bill

pacino wrote:he said:

"Refugees are pouring into our great country from Syria. We don't even know who they are. They could be ISIS, they could be anybody. What's our president doing, is he insane?"

Vetting for Syrians takes 18-24 months. We have an OK idea of who they are.

"You're going to have to watch and study the mosques," Trump said, "because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques...Under the old regime we had tremendous surveillance going around and in the mosques in New York City."

It was ended because it didn't do much of anything of value. it was assuming a problem was there and also trying to create criminals. muslims in the US are like you and me. 'the mosques'. LOL if you get a tip, act on it; otherwise, assuming guilt off the bat is fairly un-american.

TenuredVulture wrote:

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:I don't get those memes as it's the republican congress that refuses to bring any bills for spending to help vets, hell they won't even extend the first responders bill

Read an interesting article in the Economist on the difficulty the military has attracting qualified recruits. A big problem is that those most likely to enlist are simply ineligible--they lack the appropriate education, have a criminal record, or are too fat. (Also, the military won't take you if you have visible tattoos, but I would guess relaxing that standard could be considered.) But I would hypothesize the perception that the VA won't take care of you is probably hurting recruiting efforts. The article also pointed to a significant and growing disjuncture between the military and everyone else--people enjoy thanking vets, and even giving them #$!&@ discounts at Denny's--few actually considers doing service themselves.

pacino wrote:he said:

"Refugees are pouring into our great country from Syria. We don't even know who they are. They could be ISIS, they could be anybody. What's our president doing, is he insane?"

Vetting for Syrians takes 18-24 months. We have an OK idea of who they are.

"You're going to have to watch and study the mosques," Trump said, "because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques...Under the old regime we had tremendous surveillance going around and in the mosques in New York City."

It was ended because it didn't do much of anything of value. it was assuming a problem was there and also trying to create criminals. muslims in the US are like you and me. 'the mosques'. LOL if you get a tip, act on it; otherwise, assuming guilt off the bat is fairly un-american.

TenuredVulture wrote:

pacino wrote:he said:

"Refugees are pouring into our great country from Syria. We don't even know who they are. They could be ISIS, they could be anybody. What's our president doing, is he insane?"

Vetting for Syrians takes 18-24 months. We have an OK idea of who they are.

"You're going to have to watch and study the mosques," Trump said, "because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques...Under the old regime we had tremendous surveillance going around and in the mosques in New York City."

It was ended because it didn't do much of anything of value. it was assuming a problem was there and also trying to create criminals. muslims in the US are like you and me. 'the mosques'. LOL if you get a tip, act on it; otherwise, assuming guilt off the bat is fairly un-american.

This is beyond moronic--if you start surveilling mosques, you'll simply drive worship underground. It was William Penn and the Quakers who persuasively argued centuries ago that a group that wants to worship openly did not pose a security risk.

Eight people have died after a "plastic boat carrying refugees or migrants" overturned near the Greek island of Kos on Tuesday, the Greek coast guard said.

Two of the bodies were still trapped inside the overturned vessel, they added. Seven others were rescued.

It is not known how the boat overturned or the nationalities of the passengers, the coast guard said.

Greece has become the main gateway to Europe for tens of thousands of refugees and migrants fleeing war and economic hardship.

if you get a tip, act on it; otherwise, assuming guilt off the bat is fairly un-american.

pacino wrote:

if you get a tip, act on it; otherwise, assuming guilt off the bat is fairly un-american.

just heard a coworker say 'I was out on break and saw one of those guys with a turban and a backpack and thought maybe I should call the cops. is that bad?"

boy, i wonder where she started thinking that way (about a guy that was likely Sikh and going to school or work)

TenuredVulture wrote:

SK790 wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:It's Vitter (R) v. Edwards (D) for Louisian Gov, and I think Edwards is currently the favored candidate. Hmm.

it'd be great if we had better easily recognizable identifiers for these politicians. like Vitter(crazy right wing nut-job) v Edwards(would have been a Republican in 1990)

Vitter is also pretty pervy.

pacino wrote:he said:

"Refugees are pouring into our great country from Syria. We don't even know who they are. They could be ISIS, they could be anybody. What's our president doing, is he insane?"

Vetting for Syrians takes 18-24 months. We have an OK idea of who they are..

Turkey and Greece have agreed to cooperate to prevent the "human tragedy" suffered by thousands of migrants who risk lives crossing the Aegean Sea on their way to Europe.

Prime Ministers Ahmet Davutoglu of Turkey and Alexis Tsipras of Greece said, however, that the refugee burden can't be placed on the two countries' shoulders alone, insisting that other European nations share the responsibility.

The two leaders were speaking at a news conference in the Turkish capital following talks.

The countries would engage in regular contracts through a bilateral technical mechanism, Davutoglu said. Coast Guard chiefs from Turkey and Greece were also in consultation.

Davutoglu said: "Europe should not place the burden on the backs of Greece and Turkey...Turkey and Greece are victims of this problem just as the refugees are."

MoBettle wrote:

pacino wrote:he said:

"Refugees are pouring into our great country from Syria. We don't even know who they are. They could be ISIS, they could be anybody. What's our president doing, is he insane?"

Vetting for Syrians takes 18-24 months. We have an OK idea of who they are..

An application takes 18-24 months to process. I'm sure they're not actually doing 18-24 months of vetting. Especially given that Syria doesn't exactly have our infrastructure/personal records databases. A lot of what goes on there is off the grid.

There's definitely a decent amount of uncertainty with a lot of these refugees. It's just a question of whether that's too big of a risk.

Don't confuse bureaucratic backlog with thoroughness though.

pacino wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:

SK790 wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:It's Vitter (R) v. Edwards (D) for Louisian Gov, and I think Edwards is currently the favored candidate. Hmm.

it'd be great if we had better easily recognizable identifiers for these politicians. like Vitter(crazy right wing nut-job) v Edwards(would have been a Republican in 1990)

Vitter is also pretty pervy.

Vitter is now using the refugee crisis as a political tool to try to get elected

MoBettle wrote:An application takes 18-24 months to process. I'm sure they're not actually doing 18-24 months of vetting. Especially given that Syria doesn't exactly have our infrastructure/personal records databases. A lot of what goes on there is off the grid.

There's definitely a decent amount of uncertainty with a lot of these refugees. It's just a question of whether that's too big of a risk.

Don't confuse bureaucratic backlog with thoroughness though.