drsmooth wrote:

PrattRules wrote:Why is fiction the baseline for books? Shouldn't it be factual and nonfactual?

Non-fiction is writing based on facts. Can't (shouldn't?) be assumed to be wholly factual; "true stories" are still stories

LoC doesn't categorize books quite that way. Consider something like Plato's Republic.

Soren wrote:Back hurts so bad I can barely move

THAT'S A FLY SET UP THE LZ

TenuredVulture wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

PrattRules wrote:Why is fiction the baseline for books? Shouldn't it be factual and nonfactual?

Non-fiction is writing based on facts. Can't (shouldn't?) be assumed to be wholly factual; "true stories" are still stories

LoC doesn't categorize books quite that way. Consider something like Plato's Republic.

Nor Dewey the Decimal System Guy. Not sure we're talking about where to shelve the things

Soren wrote:

no but really. It had been bugging me, I went to sleep and woke up feeling like someone had sown a barbed rod to my spine last night. Constant dull pain, sharp pain when I try to bend or turn my body.

Sorry man. Something you've had to deal with awhile, or is it new as of today or last night, or what

drsmooth wrote:

PrattRules wrote:We decided to make up a word for untrue stories and then put a "non" in front of to denote true(r) stories. It would make more sense to me if we made the word up for true stories and then use the "non" in front to denote false stories.

I explained this like shit, but I'm tired.

I think your reasoning is airtight, so I'm gonna go with when the terms were being handed out you basically had the Bible, and then everything else was deemed fiction, so it was more just 1 different book rather than a whole category. Non-state-sanctioned accounts of science, or history, etc were just heresy, or worse

That's all I've got

Not sure this takes into account the pretty wide age difference between the terms. The term fiction as something created or imaginary goes back at least to the 15th century, and by the end of the next century was being applied to prose works of literature invented from the imagination. The vast majority of works at that time purported to be factual, and fiction had such a bad reputation that even clearly fictional works were often put out into the world as true accounts in order not to be immediately dismissed. A book was generally accepted to be true (at least to the author's best efforts) unless it was identified as not so. We'll still see this in teh convention of even modern fiction identifying itself as "a noove" boldly on the cover.

Later centuries saw the growth of popular fiction, and it's not until the late 19th and, more so, the 20th, that we see fiction rivalling "true" works in the publishing world and among reader's tastes. It's at this time that it's found that a catch-all term is needed for works that aren't fiction, and first libraries and then bookstores, best-seller lists, etc. find it simpler to use the term nonfiction to designate all those vastly different factual works.

So I'm just thinking Pratt was born in the wrong century.

drsmooth wrote:

Soren wrote:

no but really. It had been bugging me, I went to sleep and woke up feeling like someone had sown a barbed rod to my spine last night. Constant dull pain, sharp pain when I try to bend or turn my body.

Sorry man. Something you've had to deal with awhile, or is it new as of today or last night, or what

My back has been fucked up for about 6 years now. First hurt it really bad working in a warehouse in 2009. It's mostly ok but it just flared up recently. Fuck driving 2 hrs a day basically.

Soren wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

Soren wrote:

no but really. It had been bugging me, I went to sleep and woke up feeling like someone had sown a barbed rod to my spine last night. Constant dull pain, sharp pain when I try to bend or turn my body.

Sorry man. Something you've had to deal with awhile, or is it new as of today or last night, or what

My back has been fucked up for about 6 years now. First hurt it really bad working in a warehouse in 2009. It's mostly ok but it just flared up recently. Fuck driving 2 hrs a day basically.

Oh, man, sitting that long will just kill you. You need one of these:



Since this is random thoughts, I'll add that I just got back from paris and it was the first place i'd seen people unapologetically riding Segways outside. Europeans.

Never understood why cars stall and are left on train tracks. If you feel the car breaking down, wouldn't you stop somewhere before the tracks? Or speed up and clear them? It also doesn't help when limos have a large flat area between the tires that can easily get the vehicle stuck, so don't try to drive over them duh

If a train is going to hit a car wouldn't you wanna get as far away as possible before impact in case of a derailment or fuel spill or any number of bad things that could happen?

I love the people waving for the train to stop when it's like 100 yards away.

Well yeah that's obvious, but I'm asking why when a car stalls near a track, people are stopping on it instead of somewhere clear. If the car stalls leading up to the track, don't try to cross over it! Common sense here

well in this case it wasn't that the limo was stalling, it just wasn't able to clear the tracks.

swishnicholson wrote:Not sure this takes into account the pretty wide age difference between the terms. The term fiction as something created or imaginary goes back at least to the 15th century, and by the end of the next century was being applied to prose works of literature invented from the imagination. The vast majority of works at that time purported to be factual, and fiction had such a bad reputation that even clearly fictional works were often put out into the world as true accounts in order not to be immediately dismissed. A book was generally accepted to be true (at least to the author's best efforts) unless it was identified as not so. We'll still see this in teh convention of even modern fiction identifying itself as "a noove" boldly on the cover.

Later centuries saw the growth of popular fiction, and it's not until the late 19th and, more so, the 20th, that we see fiction rivalling "true" works in the publishing world and among reader's tastes. It's at this time that it's found that a catch-all term is needed for works that aren't fiction, and first libraries and then bookstores, best-seller lists, etc. find it simpler to use the term nonfiction to designate all those vastly different factual works.

So I'm just thinking Pratt was born in the wrong century.

I dunno. I think you're making all this up

PrattRules wrote:Doctor told me I was overweight for someone 5'9. I asked him why he thought I was 5'9, and he told me because the chart said I was. I also corrected him when he said Savannah, South Carolina. (Apparently, there is a Savannah Town, South Carolina but its population is under 1500 and in no way what he was talking about.) If this guy wasn't so close to my house, I'd think about a new doc.

What about Savannah?

Ramon Gris wrote:

PrattRules wrote:Doctor told me I was overweight for someone 5'9. I asked him why he thought I was 5'9, and he told me because the chart said I was. I also corrected him when he said Savannah, South Carolina. (Apparently, there is a Savannah Town, South Carolina but its population is under 1500 and in no way what he was talking about.) If this guy wasn't so close to my house, I'd think about a new doc.

What about Savannah?

I'm going down to Charleston in November. Doc asked me if I were flying into Savannah for some reason.

Charleston rules

Grotewold wrote:Charleston rules

Was there for a wedding in July. Fuck the dew point.

Pensacola is nice

Just saw a last name "semenkow"