POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:06:22

Divided Ukraine seems more likely, though it's tough to tell who the pro-Russian demonstrators in Sevastopol really are.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby SK790 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:35:52

Ukraine's Parliament voted to remove the President from office...
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:55:25

There's still a problem with opposition leadership. Tymonshenko I guess is the front runner, but she's far from clean or effective. Could be a prolonged period of instability, like Egypt.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:04:54

Also, there seems to be a resurgence of that favorite European pastime-- antisemitism.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Feb 22, 2014 13:34:04

Photos from Yanukovych's compound - Massive car collection, a galleon!, lots of other crazy shit

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat Feb 22, 2014 15:07:40

TenuredVulture wrote:Tymonshenko I guess is the front runner, but she's far from clean or effective.

She was a smokin' hottie (dunno if she still is).

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Sat Feb 22, 2014 15:45:39

jerseyhoya wrote:Photos from Yanukovych's compound - Massive car collection, a galleon!, lots of other crazy shit


Not just a galleon, but The Galleon.

Pay attention, kids, that degree in mechanical engineering can really pay off.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Feb 22, 2014 21:40:31

Dan Drezner with a response of sorts to Nick Kristof's hackneyed column from last week. A look at academics, policy makers and market analysts, and their relative strengths and weaknesses.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Feb 22, 2014 21:43:23

Punditz ar dum.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Bucky » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:13:26

after Krauthammer's latest brain fart about global warming, and the triumphant links from the latent R's, it got me thinking that the R's for the most part now are, in fact, becoming a cult, with Fox News as the conduit for channeling The Message. Hard to tell who are the believers are and who the manipulators, but whatever.

So I did a google to see if anyone had broached the prospect of the Cult of Conservatism, and along with an Obama staffer who had to backpedal after comparing R's to Jonestown, I found this very interesting article from Mike Lofgren, [url=http://www.mikelofgren.net/wp/20/ "Goodbye to all That" [/url]. He's a former career Republican staffer who got sick and tired of the lunacy in the present form and retired and wrote this article, which then resulted in a book "The Party is Over".

I think this is just about spot on as to the current motivations and smokescreens espoused by the current Republican cult. Here is the condensed version that I've read so far; the above is a much longer read that I've got to take the time to read soon).

To be clear, I don't think that all R's and even all R officials are in the "cult" (our current BSG R's being shining examples of those who believe most of the traditional R philosophy without drinking the Kool Aid). But this article (and I assume the book also) really exposes how the Republican cult crafts a story in order to protect the interests of the super rich. It really amazes me how so many lower middle class people stick up for the super-rich thanks to the cult's story line.

Anyhow, I did a search and I'm surprised this guy wasn't mentioned here before. He's currently my political hero. To be clear, he also didn't suddenly become a D- his view is they are weak and pretty much failing in everything they do to counter the R side, a view I share, which is why I don't consider myself a D, although I'm much more aligned with their beliefs than the R side.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby td11 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:19:12

Haha Bucky wants the d
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:19:47

It's become pretty clear to me that the the destruction of organized labor is intended to bring back an 19th c. economic order. Shows like Downton Abbey make that seem appealing. (though of course that show occurs in the 1920s.)
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Feb 23, 2014 13:11:42

It was a terrible article in 2011, and it still sucks

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Swiggers » Sun Feb 23, 2014 13:25:18

jerseyhoya wrote:It was a terrible article in 2011, and it still sucks


I remember your response when it was posted the first time was "I can't believe that guy was ever a Republican."

Why I remember that, I have no idea.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 13:50:36

TenuredVulture wrote:It's become pretty clear to me that the the destruction of organized labor is intended to bring back an 19th c. economic order. Shows like Downton Abbey make that seem appealing. (though of course that show occurs in the 1920s.)


That people have become so convinced - rank and file people, people who used to like if not love & belong to labor unions - that labor unions are bad for them, or hurt the economy, is so depressing.

Having said that, I think Downton Abbey is depicting the economic order that preceded the bourgeoisie/capitalist order that largely supplanted it. It is primarily concerned with the decline of the older aristocratic order and its feudal economic system, a big feature of which was that sense of "noblesse oblige." I am not the first to make the point, but I think it is a valid one, that the aristocratic organization of Europe was in some ways kinder to the lowest in the social order than the raw, unregulated capitalism of the 19th and early 20th centuries in industrialized Europe and in the United States (the same kind of situation we are seeing in emerging market countries now). Whereas the landed aristocracy, at least most of them, felt some real obligation to the people on the land they owned, the obligation felt by giants of the bourgeoisie - people like Andrew Carnegie and J.P. Morgan - really began and ended with the wage they paid their workers. I know Carnegie is a strange example, because people think he was such a nice guy based on his "The Gospel of Wealth." But that sense of charity did not in any way extend to the people who worked for him at the bottom of the company he presided over - and they are the closest analogue to the serfs of the feudal order.

Indeed, labor unions were a response to the way people like Carnegie treated their workers... not to the "Lord Granthams" of the world.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Sun Feb 23, 2014 14:09:04

Clarence Thomas' Disgraceful Silence:
As of this Saturday, February 22nd, eight years will have passed since Clarence Thomas last asked a question during a Supreme Court oral argument. His behavior on the bench has gone from curious to bizarre to downright embarrassing, for himself and for the institution he represents.

This point was especially apparent on January 13th, when the Court considered the case of National Labor Relations Board v. Noel Canning, which raises important questions about the President’s ability to fill vacancies when the Senate is in recess. It was a superb argument—highly skilled lawyers engaging with eight inquisitive judges. The case also offered a kind of primer on the state of the Court in action, with Thomas’s colleagues best viewed in pairs.


No one, however, has been more outspoken about this conflict, at least on paper, than Thomas, the most extreme originalist on the Court. Scalia believes that the Court owes some deference to its own precedents, even if they differ from the original meaning of the text. Thomas is happy to lay waste to decades, even centuries, of constitutional law. Clearly, then, Thomas could have contributed to this spirited, important debate. Instead, on this day he was, as usual, checked out.

For better or worse, Thomas has made important contributions to the jurisprudence of the Supreme Court. He has imported once outré conservative ideas, about such issues as gun rights under the Second Amendment and deregulation of political campaigns, into the mainstream. Scalia wrote District of Columbia v. Heller, which restricted gun control, and Kennedy wrote Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, which undermined decades of campaign-finance law, but Thomas was an intellectual godfather of both decisions.

Still, there is more to the job of Supreme Court Justice than writing opinions. The Court’s arguments are not televised (though they should be), but they are public. They are, in fact, the public’s only windows onto the Justices’ thought processes, and they offer the litigants and their lawyers their only chance to look these arbiters in the eye and make their case. There’s a reason the phrase “your day in court” resonates. It is an indispensable part of the legal system.

But the process works only if the Justices engage. The current Supreme Court is almost too ready to do so, and sometimes lawyers have a hard time getting a word in edgewise. In question-and-answer sessions at law schools, Thomas has said that his colleagues talk too much, that he wants to let the lawyers say their piece, and that the briefs tell him all he needs to know. But this—as his colleagues’ ability to provoke revealing exchanges demonstrates—is nonsense. Thomas is simply not doing his job.

By refusing to acknowledge the advocates or his fellow-Justices, Thomas treats them all with disrespect. It would be one thing if Thomas’s petulance reflected badly only on himself, which it did for the first few years of his ludicrous behavior. But at this point, eight years on, Thomas is demeaning the Court. Imagine, for a moment, if all nine Justices behaved as Thomas does on the bench. The public would rightly, and immediately, lose all faith in the Supreme Court. Instead, the public has lost, and should lose, any confidence it might have in Clarence Thomas.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby slugsrbad » Sun Feb 23, 2014 14:14:27

He did tell that joke last year

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 25, 2014 08:38:50

whither net neutrality:
Comcast, the country’s largest cable and broadband provider, and Netflix, the giant television and movie streaming service, announced an agreement Sunday in which Netflix will pay Comcast for faster and more reliable access to Comcast’s subscribers.

The deal is a milestone in the history of the Internet, where content providers like Netflix generally have not had to pay for access to the customers of a broadband provider.
But the growing power of broadband companies like Comcast, Verizon and AT&T has given those companies increased leverage over sites whose traffic gobbles up chunks of a network’s capacity. Netflix is one of those sites, accounting for nearly 30 percent of all Internet traffic at peak hours.

The agreement comes just 10 days after Comcast agreed to buy Time Warner Cable for $45 billion, an acquisition that would make Comcast the cable provider to nearly one-third of American homes and the high-speed Internet company for close to 40 percent. Federal regulators are expected to scrutinize whether that deal would thwart competition among cable and Internet providers.
It is also unclear whether the Comcast-Netflix deal violates the principles of what is known as net neutrality — where all content providers have equal and free access to consumers. People close to the deal characterize it as a common arrangement. Content companies frequently pay a middleman to carry traffic to a broadband provider, which then moves through its pipes and into a consumer’s home.

In a news release announcing the deal, the companies said, “Netflix receives no preferential network treatment under the multiyear agreement.” Details were not disclosed, but a person close to the companies said it involved annual payments of several million dollars.

The agreement also follows a January ruling from a federal appeals court that struck down the Federal Communications Commission’s net neutrality rules, saying the agency overstepped its authority. This type of deal between Comcast and Netflix might have been forbidden under a liberal reading of the F.C.C.’s rules.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby traderdave » Tue Feb 25, 2014 09:04:03

"...an acquisition that would make Comcast the cable provider to nearly one-third of American homes and the high-speed Internet company for close to 40 percent. Federal regulators are expected to scrutinize whether that deal would thwart competition among cable and Internet providers."

Given those figures, what exactly is there to scrutinize? I can tell you that my Comcast contract is up in about six weeks and I am going to do everything possible between now and then to reduce their subscriber rolls by one.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 25, 2014 09:09:23

oh
The bill allows any business, church or person to cite the law as a defense in any action brought by the government or individual claiming discrimination.
Similar religious protection legislation has been introduced in Ohio, Mississippi, Idaho, South Dakota, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but Arizona's plan is the only one that has passed. The efforts are stalled in Idaho, Ohio and Kansas.

Republicans stressed that the bill is not about discrimination but protecting religious freedom. They frequently cite the case of a New Mexico photographer who was sued after refusing to take wedding pictures of a gay couple. They said Arizona needs a law to protect people in the state from heavy-handed actions by courts.

Another frequently cited example is a suit brought against an Oregon baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

The businesses were sued, but those efforts came under state laws that extended protected-class status to gays. Arizona has no such law protecting people based on sexual orientation.


The Arizona bill to legally discriminate against gays or anyone else deemed counter to one's religious beliefs (ahem, allow religious freedom) is on Jan Brewer's desk. Wonder what she does. I find the idea that a business has religious idea which are needed to be protected suspect at best, let alone that we must 'shield' an individual's right to discriminate when performing their job.

State Sens. Bob Worsley, Adam Driggs and Steve Pierce sent their letter urging a veto just days after they joined the entire 17-member Senate GOP caucus in voting for the bill.

"I think laws are (already) on the books that we need, and have now seen the ramifications of my vote,'' Worsley told The Associated Press. "I feel very bad, and it was a mistake.''With the three GOP senators joining all 13 Senate Democrats in opposition, there would be enough votes to defeat the measure in a re-vote. But too much time has passed to allow for reconsideration, and the bill was sent to Brewer in a routine transmittal Monday that was accompanied by "boos'' from Senate Democrats.

Brewer now has five working days to sign or veto the bill. She returns from governors association meetings in Washington on Tuesday afternoon.

also, talk about pussies. at least htey changed their minds, but it seems they were all find with voting for it until it became national news. well, at least it's something that can be shamed, nowadays. a version of progress.
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