POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Fri Feb 14, 2014 15:03:29

I thank God for getting me out of Kansas forever. Just about the worst place I've ever been in the US.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Fri Feb 14, 2014 18:08:55

Is Bob Corker not getting enough loon love from the rigid right? His take on the VW union vote situation is just weird.

I mean he's displayed flashes of sanity in the past
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby SK790 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 21:29:52

thephan wrote:This does not fit nicely here except for class warfare quips, maybe just as good in the 'without comment' thread, but Bud Konheim, Nicole Miller co-founder and CEO, goes on CNBC and says that the U.S. poverty level is wealth in most of the world, so people should stop complaining. Classic blurring of line and screaming for a misquote (the video is hosed up at the moment or I would post it), but to confuse an amount of money with a county's cost of living is pretty messed up.

"We've got a country that the poverty level is wealth in 99 percent of the rest of the world,

"The guy that's making, oh my God, he's making $35,000 a year, why don't we try that out in India or some countries we can't even name. China, anyplace, the guy is wealthy."

Maybe all those years making sequent dresses and clutches has melted Bud's brain. I think Bow Tie Bob likely makes a fair bit more then $35K and has not felt much undo discomfort. I do not begrudge him his successes or his fortune. His struggles are really nominal. He signed up for combat duty and served, but was never deployed to Korea. The time in the military seemed to not really impress on him how the "99%" actually get by. This is the company he "co-founded" really is what his forebears created, but he took in a different direction with a new name in 1975. He should be Dartmouth smart enough to shut up.

this got me mad in a way i had not been mad in a very long time when i read it on Wednesday. how do you shame people who are living paycheck to paycheck when you're pulling in millions?
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby traderdave » Sat Feb 15, 2014 08:28:05

If Nicole Miller were a publicly-traded company, I'd short the stock immediately because their CEO is clearly a moron. That is really one of the worst analogies I have seen in a long while. Unfortunately, that is the prevailing attitude of the haves with regard to the have-nots or have-somes.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 18, 2014 14:14:42

Rush Holt retiring too. NJ's delegation experiencing all sorts of upheaval.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby traderdave » Tue Feb 18, 2014 15:12:27

jerseyhoya wrote:Rush Holt retiring too. NJ's delegation experiencing all sorts of upheaval.


Get that petition ready, JH.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 18, 2014 23:57:25

If I was gonna run for a seat, it'd be NJ-03, not Holt's. I'm still registered to vote at my folks place, grew up in the district, have ties to the shore side and still spend a decent amount of time on both sides of the district. Although the apartment I rent is in NJ-12. All these open seats is so weird.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Feb 19, 2014 00:59:59

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Wed Feb 19, 2014 01:05:15

gonna hafta help out with a little of the backstory on that one, professor
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby SK790 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 07:39:53

i'm sure it has something to do with obama appointing a bunch of ambassadors who have never been to the country they are going to be an ambassador to because they gave obama's campaign a bunch of money.

i spent 20 minutes reading about the country of chad on wikipedia thanks to that chart.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 19, 2014 09:01:16

Ukraine is going off now that Ukraine moved towards Russia while negotiating with the protest movement. 26 dead already.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Wed Feb 19, 2014 09:09:55

SK790 wrote:i'm sure it has something to do with obama appointing a bunch of ambassadors who have never been to the country they are going to be an ambassador to because they gave obama's campaign a bunch of money.

i spent 20 minutes reading about the country of chad on wikipedia thanks to that chart.



I believe you've got it SK.

Thing is I'm feeling like there's not as much correlation between donation & cushiness of country as it may seem from the chart. I mean, who'd MUCH rather be in Norway than Switzerland?

And as a practical matter I want my fat cats safely ensconced in the countries where they basically eat meals with representatives and hangers-on of countries we have few critical issues with, rather than in places where you actually need people with some idea of what's going on, because shit's going on.

So I guess I still don't get the implications of the chart
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 19, 2014 09:15:13

The nice countries to live in are populated by political appointee ambassadors. The crappier countries have far more career foreign service folks serving as ambassador. There's less demand among the donor class for an outpost in Chad than New Zealand.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Werthless » Wed Feb 19, 2014 13:49:24

drsmooth wrote:
SK790 wrote:i'm sure it has something to do with obama appointing a bunch of ambassadors who have never been to the country they are going to be an ambassador to because they gave obama's campaign a bunch of money.

i spent 20 minutes reading about the country of chad on wikipedia thanks to that chart.



I believe you've got it SK.

Thing is I'm feeling like there's not as much correlation between donation & cushiness of country as it may seem from the chart. I mean, who'd MUCH rather be in Norway than Switzerland?

And as a practical matter I want my fat cats safely ensconced in the countries where they basically eat meals with representatives and hangers-on of countries we have few critical issues with, rather than in places where you actually need people with some idea of what's going on, because shit's going on.

So I guess I still don't get the implications of the chart

Just pretend that Mitt Romney appointed all of his Wall Street buddies to be ambassadors in the countries with the best quality of life.

Personally, I would have swapped the axes on the graph, although I understand why it's shown as is (the independent x variable "causes" the dependent y variable). People just aren't as easily able to internalize a graph that climbs up the y-axis and then moves outward. People's eyes have been trained to see data points hug the x-axis.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Feb 19, 2014 13:57:22

See, and I wonder about the political appointees who didn't give much money and took the ambassadorships to Saudi Arabia and Tanzania. I guess the Saudi posting could be useful if you're in the oil industry but Tanzania?
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Feb 19, 2014 14:08:47

TenuredVulture wrote:See, and I wonder about the political appointees who didn't give much money and took the ambassadorships to Saudi Arabia and Tanzania. I guess the Saudi posting could be useful if you're in the oil industry but Tanzania?



Looks like the Saudi guy is more defense industry, but that can be useful too.

Tanzanian has a criminal justice background. I'm just gonna say it: my guess would be it's because he's black.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Feb 19, 2014 14:17:27

I actually think Tanzania is supposed to be a pretty nice place to live. It's got access to all those nature parks and I think it's reasonably safe (though don't quote me on that).

I just want to know what kind of assessment of living conditions has Greece above switzerland.

Anyway, I could care less who is sent for these positions, regardless of who is in the white house. It's mostly just pomp and circumstance and fancy dinners. This isn't the 1800's where your representative actually may have to do something important on their own. If there's anything important to do, someone in DC is going to instruct the rep in real time as needed.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Feb 19, 2014 14:27:02

swishnicholson wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:See, and I wonder about the political appointees who didn't give much money and took the ambassadorships to Saudi Arabia and Tanzania. I guess the Saudi posting could be useful if you're in the oil industry but Tanzania?



Looks like the Saudi guy is more defense industry, but that can be useful too.

Tanzanian has a criminal justice background. I'm just gonna say it: my guess would be it's because he's black.


Of course, they also didn't give a lot of dollars either. Sam Kaplan ending up in Morocco seems a bit of an outlier, as he give a hefty chunk of cheddar and is Jewish besides.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Wed Feb 19, 2014 15:19:33

Werthless wrote:Just pretend that Mitt Romney appointed all of his Wall Street buddies to be ambassadors in the countries with the best quality of life.

Personally, I would have swapped the axes on the graph, although I understand why it's shown as is (the independent x variable "causes" the dependent y variable). People just aren't as easily able to internalize a graph that climbs up the y-axis and then moves outward. People's eyes have been trained to see data points hug the x-axis.


your observation on graph "training" is deft; on ambassadorial appointees, daft. People with money to contribute are perfectly capable of affording to live anywhere they like, and probably do, regardless their appointments. it's not like ambassador wannabes are signing up for a cruise.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby The Dude » Wed Feb 19, 2014 15:22:41

There's a reason they want to be ambassadors though, right? Obvious that it's more about the location in most circumstances deft punk

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