POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 04, 2014 15:44:38

Seems like there might not be a special election until the general even if he resigns soon. And Rob Andrews wants us all to know his Ethics Committee investigation played no role whatsoever in his abrupt resignation.

The South Jersey Democrat, under a House ethics committee investigation over his campaign spending, said he’s leaving to take a higher paying job at a Philadelphia-based law firm whose public affairs department he’ll head.

The investigation, he said, has “no role at all” in his decision to step down. But his resignation will likely end the probe, which has been going on for at least one-and-a-half years. And if history is any guide, it's unlikely the committee's finding will ever be released.

Though Andrews referred questions about the process to Gov. Chris Christie’s office, the seat would likely have to remain vacant until at least November, when a special election could be called to concur with the regularly-scheduled general election.

U.S. Rep. Rob Andrews says investigation played 'no role' in resignation

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Feb 04, 2014 16:08:44

jerseyhoya wrote: And Rob Andrews wants us all to know his Ethics Committee investigation played no role whatsoever in his abrupt resignation.



If anyone believes that, I have a bridge ramp it'd like to sell them.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Feb 04, 2014 16:39:59

My daughter went to school with his daughter. I will say this for Andrews, he showed up at school events as a dutiful parent. He wasn't there to schmooze or politic - he was just being a good dad. Took a bunch of kids to NYC for a day for the kid's bday party. None of this is evidence for or against whether he has some out-of-bounds ethical stuff there - but he got my respect for thoughtful parenting.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Feb 04, 2014 17:15:33

swishnicholson wrote:
traderdave wrote:
So I, and my fellow First District-ians, will literally suffer taxation without representation from February 18th through Election Day. :ce:


And possibly get represented by Norcross. What have we done to deserve this?

If you ignore distaste for his brother, he's a good party guy. (if you are a democrat)
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 04, 2014 17:49:06

TomatoPie wrote:My daughter went to school with his daughter. I will say this for Andrews, he showed up at school events as a dutiful parent. He wasn't there to schmooze or politic - he was just being a good dad. Took a bunch of kids to NYC for a day for the kid's bday party. None of this is evidence for or against whether he has some out-of-bounds ethical stuff there - but he got my respect for thoughtful parenting.

Such a good parent that he used campaign funds to take the family to a resort in Scotland, throw his daughter a graduation party and support theaters that cast his daughter.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Werthless » Tue Feb 04, 2014 17:58:43

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 04, 2014 18:43:24

a horrible Woody Allen crack suggests itself, then banishes itself to the dark place whence it came
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Youseff » Tue Feb 04, 2014 20:43:23

Bill Nye is debating Ken Ham and I'm watching it for some reason

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/ ... ye-ken-ham
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby logos » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:57:38

jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I think there has to be a special election for the congressional seat, depending on when Andrews resigns.

The party gets to pick Norcross's replacement (usually an assemblyman and then the replacement for the assemblyman) if Norcross wins the special and resigns.

Yes--you have win an election to sit in the House of Reps. Until the election is held and a winner is certified, the seat is vacant.

Right, but the question is timing. Depending on when he resigns, the law might suggest the seat sits vacant until November since the regular election is coming up. If he departs soon that won't happen.

I doubt there will be a special election for this seat. As we know from last year, the laws on this are murky, and somewhat contradictory, which is why Governor Christie was able to arrange the Lautenberg/Booker special elections to his own political benefit. 2014 is a congressional election year anyway; there's a primary in June, and a general election in November. Since the seat is held by a Democrat, and will continue to be held by a Democrat, the Governor and the Lt. Governor/Sec. of State will have no incentive to "hurry up" filling the vacancy. And there's the cost factor. A pair of special elections in one Congressional district wouldn't cost anything like as much as the statewide special elections for the Lautenberg/Booker Senate seat (I predict $26-27 million for those two, when all the bills are paid, along about June), but it would cost something - and the state would have to pay for that. They haven't got the money.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:00:33

The laws for replacing a senator and representative are different because you cannot appoint here. I haven't seen any articles actually discussing what the law actually is, and don't know what the options are, or if there are options. Roll Call says it's been state tradition to just have election year vacancies stay vacant until the general election though.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby logos » Wed Feb 05, 2014 13:23:39

jerseyhoya wrote:The laws for replacing a senator and representative are different because you cannot appoint here. I haven't seen any articles actually discussing what the law actually is, and don't know what the options are, or if there are options. Roll Call says it's been state tradition to just have election year vacancies stay vacant until the general election though.

OK...made me look! From the New Jersey Statutes:

19:3-27. Vacancies in United States house of representatives; election to fill
When a vacancy shall happen in the representation of this state in the United States house of representatives, it shall be the duty of the governor to issue a writ of election to fill such vacancy, unless the term of service for which the person whose office shall become vacant will expire within six months next after the happening of the vacancy.


19:27-6 Congressional vacancies.

19:27-6. In the case of a vacancy in the representation of this State in the United States Senate or House of Representatives, the writ may designate the next general election day for the election, but if a special day is designated, it shall specify the cause and purpose of such election, the name of the officer in whose office the vacancy has occurred, the day on which a special primary election shall be held, which shall be not less than 70 days nor more than 76 days following the date of such proclamation, and the day on which the special election shall be held, which shall be not less than 64 nor more than 70 days following the day of the special primary election. The writ shall also specify the day or days when the district boards shall meet for the purpose of making, revising or correcting the registers of voters to be used at such special election.

If the vacancy happens in the representation of this State in the United States Senate the election shall take place at the general election next succeeding the happening thereof, unless the vacancy shall happen within 70 days next preceding the primary election prior to the general election, in which case it shall be filled by election at the second succeeding election, unless the Governor shall deem it advisable to call a special election therefor, which he is authorized hereby to do.

If the vacancy happens in the representation of this State in the House of Representatives in any year, not later than the 70th day prior to the day for holding the next primary election for the general election, the Governor shall issue a writ of election to fill such vacancy, designating in said writ the next general election day as the day on which the election shall be held to fill such vacancy. The nomination of candidates to fill such vacancy shall be made in the same manner as the nomination of other candidates at the said primary election for the general election.


19:27-10.1 Vacancy in house of representatives between dates preceding primary and general elections.

1.When a vacancy, howsoever caused, happens in the representation of this State in the House of Representatives in any year later than the 70th day prior to the day for holding the primary election for the general election but before the 70th day preceding the day of the general election, and the unexpired term to be filled exceeds one year, the Governor, in issuing a writ of election to fill such vacancy, may designate in said writ the next general election day as the day on which the election shall be held to fill such vacancy and that no primary election shall be held for nomination of candidates to fill such vacancy.

In such case, each political party shall select its candidate to fill such vacancy in the same manner prescribed in R.S.19:13-20 for selecting candidates to fill vacancies arising among candidates nominated at primary elections, except that the time for making such selection and filing the statement thereof shall be within 10 days following the issuance of the writ of election.

In such case, petitions of nomination of other candidates shall be filed in the office of the Secretary of State within 10 days of the date of such proclamation.

The Secretary of State on the eleventh day following the date of such proclamation shall certify to the clerk and county board of each county affected by the vacancy, a statement of all candidates selected and nominated for the office so vacated.

The election to fill such vacancy shall in all other respects be conducted as though it were being conducted to fill the office upon the expiration of the term of the incumbent.

I think the bolded/underlined clause above is operative here (I think; IANAL, nor do I play one on TV! :) ). The primary is scheduled for early June. If Andrews resigns prior to late March, it appears that the Governor's writ would set the primary and general at the regular dates, which particularly makes sense in a year where there's a regular election for the seat anyway. Anybody elected "to fill the remainder of the term" couldn't be so elected before September/October anyway, and the term would expire a few weeks later. Or else candidates would have have to crank up a second campaign in the regular primary and general at the same time as they were running in special elections.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby MoBettle » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:22:45

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... -seat.html

GCobb running for congress. I loled out loud
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Feb 07, 2014 00:38:01

jerseyhoya wrote:Nine Years after Kelo, the Seized Land Is Empty - Cherry on top


Yeah, at least in NJ when you use eminent domain to enrich private developers the luxury condos get built.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Fri Feb 07, 2014 01:04:29

I'd be fine with eminent domain if those displaced were treated as a shareholder in any commercial use or were compensated several times over in the case of highway construction and other such nonsense. Drops in the bucket to government, life changing to the people it effects in a good way.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Fri Feb 07, 2014 01:13:06

Also, fuck old people who don't want to pay for public schools yet happily accept money from social security. Fucking idiots.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Feb 07, 2014 01:40:07

TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Nine Years after Kelo, the Seized Land Is Empty - Cherry on top


Yeah, at least in NJ when you use eminent domain to enrich private developers the luxury condos get built.


Well, unless your talking about Pennsauken Mart, which is now neither a Norcross Hockey Arena nor a Renaissance Walk, but an open field of asphalt.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Fri Feb 07, 2014 09:04:38

I tried to post an observation on the NRO article to the effect that there might, just might, have been more than a few dollars of capitalist rent-seekers' dough behind that scheme to abscond with people's living space in New London, that what transpired there wasn't purely a function of the Supreme Court's dubious decision. But it turns out that I'm on the NRO's online enemies list, on permanent double-secret poster probation or something.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:08:18

the BIG new Greenwald revelation is that the American and UK government are going after malicious hackers. He is choosing to conflate activism with hacking.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Werthless » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:21:34

jerseyhoya wrote:Nine Years after Kelo, the Seized Land Is Empty - Cherry on top

Likes this.

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