POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Mar 01, 2014 01:00:45

It's important to keep in mind the Russian military is not the Red Army. Lotta corruption and poor leadership, and the troops are not the best. When I was in Moscow, the young men I spoke quite openly spoke about how they bribed doctors to get a medical exemption from military service.

Sure, they could defeat Ukraine, but at a pretty high cost. Also, as we know, occupying hostile territory is no picnic. I'd imagine Ukrainians would get quite proficient at making IEDs pretty quickly.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby slugsrbad » Sat Mar 01, 2014 01:34:03

TenuredVulture wrote:It's important to keep in mind the Russian military is not the Red Army. Lotta corruption and poor leadership, and the troops are not the best. When I was in Moscow, the young men I spoke quite openly spoke about how they bribed doctors to get a medical exemption from military service.

Sure, they could defeat Ukraine, but at a pretty high cost. Also, as we know, occupying hostile territory is no picnic. I'd imagine Ukrainians would get quite proficient at making IEDs pretty quickly.


Isn't high cost the name of the Russian military game?
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Mar 01, 2014 01:51:49

Condemnation Isn't Enough - I do think/hope the administration will get here sooner rather than later

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Sat Mar 01, 2014 02:09:16

jerseyhoya wrote:Condemnation Isn't Enough - I do think/hope the administration will get here sooner rather than later


If Mr. Putin does not comply, Western leaders should make clear that Russia will pay a heavy price — not just in “condemnation,” but in economic and diplomatic sanctions.


I waited with great anticipation for the bottom line, but I can't say it filled me with any more optimism that this will have the desired effect.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Mar 01, 2014 02:44:22

Not sure it would have the desired effect no matter what we do, but if the White House's 'punishment' consists of not showing up to the G8 or something like that, that's pathetic.

Probably don't want to start WW3 over this. But Obama demonstrating to Putin that he is willing to at least throw a jab or two back would be nice.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby SK790 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 06:16:26

jerseyhoya wrote:
SK790 wrote:palin saying she could see russia from her house was still one of the dumbest things ever said.

She didn't say that. Tina Fey did. Jesus christ

next you're going to tell me she wasn't really in a porn movie.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Sat Mar 01, 2014 08:22:08

jerseyhoya wrote:There's the underlying fact that you can see Russia from Alaska, so what she said was true.


Its truth is not a prime qualifier - not really any qualifier - for a role in guiding your nation's policies - foreign or otherwise. It really doesn't advance anyone's case for appearing anywhere near any list of credible candidates for such a role. But unlike Palin, you know that
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Sat Mar 01, 2014 08:24:30

jerseyhoya wrote:nt to start WW3 over this. But Obama demonstrating to Putin that he is willing to at least throw a jab or two back would be nice.


we'll make sure someone gets right on it, General McCain
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby traderdave » Sat Mar 01, 2014 08:25:12

Bonnie Watson-Coleman resigned from the GW Bridge committee because she would rather spend her time blasting Christie on TV. From an education policy standpoint, Ms. Watson-Coleman is not my favorite legislator anyway but I am glad that she was able to realize that bias has no place on an investigative committee.

One thing she said that really bothers me: "Therefore, I have informed Speaker Prieto that I will no longer serve on the Legislative Select Committee on Investigation. I will remain focused on promoting and advancing Democratic legislation and causes.". I am not naive enough to think that any more than a handful of our representatives are capable of independent thought but I would like to, at least, be able to maintain the dream of bipartisanship. I would like to believe that if the Dems floated a really bad policy she (or anyone else) would have the stones to stand up against it rather than just go along. After all, they are supposed to be representing the best interests of their respective districts, correct?


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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:03:57

Butch Otter signs bill threatening those who secretly film animal abuse with jail, fines.

"Shocked" gets tossed around too much, but passage of this bill really does shock me. OTOH I really like to type Butch Otter.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:36:52

swishnicholson wrote:Butch Otter signs bill threatening those who secretly film animal abuse with jail, fines.

"Shocked" gets tossed around too much, but passage of this bill really does shock me. OTOH I really like to type Butch Otter.


Let's face it - you read "Butch Otter" and your mind just can't help wandering over into realms of animal relationships you seldom examine
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:44:08

drsmooth wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:Butch Otter signs bill threatening those who secretly film animal abuse with jail, fines.

"Shocked" gets tossed around too much, but passage of this bill really does shock me. OTOH I really like to type Butch Otter.


Let's face it - you read "Butch Otter" and your mind just can't help wandering over into realms of animal relationships you seldom examine



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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby dajafi » Sat Mar 01, 2014 13:30:15

This is gonna work out great!

The mayor, who advanced in politics by grass-roots organizing, has built a team filled with former activists — figures more accustomed to picketing administrations or taking potshots from the outside than working from within. His administration is heavily populated with appointees best known for the fights they have fought.
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“We’ve said all along, as we make appointments, our standards are clear,” Mr. de Blasio said in announcing the appointments of Mr. Banks, who once lost to him in a City Council race, and two other officials. “We need people who share our progressive values related to the future of this city.”
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Aides say Mr. de Blasio works backward in his hiring process, starting by identifying a candidate who shares his political philosophy or views on policy, and then figuring out how the person could fit into his administration.


De Blasio has become my real-life Jonathan Papelbon.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Sun Mar 02, 2014 00:00:22

dajafi wrote:This is gonna work out great!

The mayor, who advanced in politics by grass-roots organizing, has built a team filled with former activists — figures more accustomed to picketing administrations or taking potshots from the outside than working from within. His administration is heavily populated with appointees best known for the fights they have fought.
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“We’ve said all along, as we make appointments, our standards are clear,” Mr. de Blasio said in announcing the appointments of Mr. Banks, who once lost to him in a City Council race, and two other officials. “We need people who share our progressive values related to the future of this city.”
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Aides say Mr. de Blasio works backward in his hiring process, starting by identifying a candidate who shares his political philosophy or views on policy, and then figuring out how the person could fit into his administration.


Is this really going to be as awful as it sounds? Read something a couple weeks ago where it was stated by or for De Blasio that his number one priority was and would always remain Income Inequality. I mean, that's something I'd certainly like to be addressed, but I somehow doubt that a Mayor, even a New York Mayor, is going to make much headway. Meanwhile I'm pretty sure most New Yorkers are more concerned with getting their streets plowed as well as kept reasonably safe. He almost seems like a plant to ensure that another Democratic mayor is never elected in New york.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 02, 2014 00:56:43

in any event, Andrew Cuomo is trying to get Republicans in the state to not nominate crazies because it will hurt their down ballot prospects???? Why should a Democrat care about the down ballot prospects of Republicans?
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Mar 02, 2014 00:57:31

dajafi wrote:This is gonna work out great!

The mayor, who advanced in politics by grass-roots organizing, has built a team filled with former activists — figures more accustomed to picketing administrations or taking potshots from the outside than working from within. His administration is heavily populated with appointees best known for the fights they have fought.
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“We’ve said all along, as we make appointments, our standards are clear,” Mr. de Blasio said in announcing the appointments of Mr. Banks, who once lost to him in a City Council race, and two other officials. “We need people who share our progressive values related to the future of this city.”
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Aides say Mr. de Blasio works backward in his hiring process, starting by identifying a candidate who shares his political philosophy or views on policy, and then figuring out how the person could fit into his administration.


De Blasio has become my real-life Jonathan Papelbon.


It's like what happened when the Republicans took the Arkansas legislature.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 02, 2014 01:00:15

i guess i don't see why it's a bad thing to get people who he thinks are good and finding spots for them
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby dajafi » Sun Mar 02, 2014 01:06:36

pacino wrote:in any event, Andrew Cuomo is trying to get Republicans in the state to not nominate crazies because it will hurt their down ballot prospects???? Why should a Democrat care about the down ballot prospects of Republicans?


Because he wants them to keep partial control of the state senate. Currently a coalition of Rs and "independent democrats" constitutes the majority.

Given how horrible the D majority was in 2009-10 when they had control, it's not totally irrational... though in cuomo's case his thinking is that he doesn't want to have to sign or veto liberal legislation that will screw up his presidential hopes.

As for de Blasio... swish has it right. I agree with 90 percent of what he wants to do. But most of it simply is beyond the power of the mayor. And what I saw before I left last month, and what I continue to hear, is that they're both disorganized (the professionals don't know what the plans are, and haven't been asked to weigh in), and tribal--more into loyalty and ideological reliability than actual, y'know, managerial competence or content expertise.

To be fair, he's picked or retained pros to run the NYPD and Sanitation. So I guess the bet is that they'll be competent enough in the delivery of core services to assure breathing room for the ideologues. It's just really jarring: the guy he's picked to run the welfare agency, which admittedly remained a bastion of right-wing policymaking even during Bloomberg, is like having Julian Assange run the NSA.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:26:31

say what you will about the corruption of Christie's administration, or his cozy relationship with Boss - er, General - Samson, but no denying he's got good taste in unprecedently hand-picked ethics commission executive directors

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Roger Dorn » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:29:32

@BBCWorld: Russia behaving "in 19th-Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext" - John Kerry

Except when the U.S. does it.

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