POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 16, 2014 04:17:38

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Christie said he wants state pension reform again in his SOTU. Further solidifying him as an asshole.

2012: We can afford to cut taxes on the wealthy.
2014: We have no money to pay pensions.

The state has a long way to go to balance out the relationship between taxpayers and state employees. Gotta keep pushing.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Thu Jan 16, 2014 08:42:46

this is the NSAs job!!! sheesh:
While most of the software is inserted by gaining access to computer networks, the N.S.A. has increasingly made use of a secret technology that enables it to enter and alter data in computers even if they are not connected to the Internet, according to N.S.A. documents, computer experts and American officials.
The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers. In some cases, they are sent to a briefcase-size relay station that intelligence agencies can set up miles away from the target.
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The radio frequency technology has helped solve one of the biggest problems facing American intelligence agencies for years: getting into computers that adversaries, and some American partners, have tried to make impervious to spying or cyberattack. In most cases, the radio frequency hardware must be physically inserted by a spy, a manufacturer or an unwitting user.
The N.S.A. calls its efforts more an act of “active defense” against foreign cyberattacks than a tool to go on the offensive. But when Chinese attackers place similar software on the computer systems of American companies or government agencies, American officials have protested, often at the presidential level.

Among the most frequent targets of the N.S.A. and its Pentagon partner, United States Cyber Command, have been units of the Chinese Army, which the United States has accused of launching regular digital probes and attacks on American industrial and military targets, usually to steal secrets or intellectual property. But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls “computer network exploitation.”


The United States has targeted Unit 61398, the Shanghai-based Chinese Army unit believed to be responsible for many of the biggest cyberattacks on the United States, in an effort to see attacks being prepared. With Australia’s help, one N.S.A. document suggests, the United States has also focused on another specific Chinese Army unit.

Documents obtained by Mr. Snowden indicate that the United States has set up two data centers in China — perhaps through front companies — from which it can insert malware into computers. When the Chinese place surveillance software on American computer systems — and they have, on systems like those at the Pentagon and at The Times — the United States usually regards it as a potentially hostile act, a possible prelude to an attack. Mr. Obama laid out America’s complaints about those practices to President Xi Jinping of China in a long session at a summit meeting in California last June.

At that session, Mr. Obama tried to differentiate between conducting surveillance for national security — which the United States argues is legitimate — and conducting it to steal intellectual property.


But the Iranians and others discovered some of those techniques years ago. The hardware in the N.S.A.'s catalog was crucial in the cyberattacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities, code-named Olympic Games, that began around 2008 and proceeded through the summer of 2010, when a technical error revealed the attack software, later called Stuxnet. That was the first major test of the technology.
Leave A Comment One feature of the Stuxnet attack was that the technology the United States slipped into Iran’s nuclear enrichment plant at Natanz was able to map how it operated, then “phone home” the details. Later, that equipment was used to insert malware that blew up nearly 1,000 centrifuges, and temporarily set back Iran’s program.
But the Stuxnet strike does not appear to be the last time the technology was used in Iran. In 2012, a unit of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps moved a rock near the country’s underground Fordo nuclear enrichment plant. The rock exploded and spewed broken circuit boards that the Iranian news media described as “the remains of a device capable of intercepting data from computers at the plant.” The origins of that device have never been determined.

why expose something like this? Oh yeah, because it's NOT about helping people in the US, it's about a weird anti-government in general stance that Snowden/Greenwald have. This as the President is set to announce actual reforms, which Greenwald et al have already denounced as 'nothing'. ugh they're all for corporations have our metadata, just not the NSA
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:10:48

Spot on Pacino.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:02:20

someone liked a post of mine. a first. :)


The stupid Iran sanctions bill proposed by Menendez appears to be dying a quiet death as President Obama called Democrats in and told htem to stuff it. Good. Why try diplomacy when we can poke the bear instead?
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TomatoPie » Thu Jan 16, 2014 13:56:20

Maybe you've seen this - WasteBook 2013, how the government paid non-essential workers for not working, and the full encyclopedia of bipartisan boondoggles:

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//in ... bb6c29d4b6
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Thu Jan 16, 2014 14:06:09

no thanks
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Jan 16, 2014 15:30:41

jerseyhoya wrote:
The Nightman Cometh wrote:Christie said he wants state pension reform again in his SOTU. Further solidifying him as an asshole.

2012: We can afford to cut taxes on the wealthy.
2014: We have no money to pay pensions.

The state has a long way to go to balance out the relationship between taxpayers and state employees. Gotta keep pushing.

Nah, he's not getting anywhere this time. Sweeney is not going to go for this.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Thu Jan 16, 2014 15:58:21

jerseyhoya wrote:
The Nightman Cometh wrote:Christie said he wants state pension reform again in his SOTU. Further solidifying him as an asshole.

2012: We can afford to cut taxes on the wealthy.
2014: We have no money to pay pensions.

The state has a long way to go to balance out the relationship between taxpayers and state employees. Gotta keep pushing.


Maybe we can try it this time without the personal denigration and obfuscation that it was the state that was failing to uphold it's agreements.

Have to admit, though, as I enter my mid-50s and see all my contemporary teacher and other public employee friends retiring that things still seem a little out of whack.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Bucky » Thu Jan 16, 2014 16:11:03

that's what I've always understood about public vs. private sector. With public sector, the pay is lower, but the pension plan was much better and had a much shorter vesting cycle (i.e. you could retire earlier if you had enough years of service). So what I'm saying is isn't that the norm?

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jan 16, 2014 17:32:25

Bucky wrote:that's what I've always understood about public vs. private sector. With public sector, the pay is lower, but the pension plan was much better and had a much shorter vesting cycle (i.e. you could retire earlier if you had enough years of service). So what I'm saying is isn't that the norm?

Yes, but now you have conservative politicians hollering that it isn't fair/responsible/affordable and demonizing public sector employees for expecting that the government will keep the promises that played at least a role in their decision to work in the public sector.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jan 16, 2014 17:42:54

Did some of that come from police officers getting to retire after 20 years of service (which sort of makes sense I guess) and then being extended to firefighters and then teachers and other unionized public workers?

Anyway, the other thing public sector workers get is job security. Not so much anymore though.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Wizlah » Thu Jan 16, 2014 20:29:45

Luzinski's Gut wrote:Spot on Pacino.


I'm guessing you're not a fan of Bruce Schnier, so.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 16, 2014 20:43:46

TomatoPie wrote:Maybe you've seen this - WasteBook 2013, how the government paid non-essential workers for not working, and the full encyclopedia of bipartisan boondoggles:

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//in ... bb6c29d4b6


In crackerass Coburn's view, the good people of shoreline NJ should just drown & be done with it. He'll be damned if any of his depletion allowance-sucking constituents should be bothered to lend a hand to people who make sure they can get all the beef jerky their pasty mugs can hold. He has what you might call zero credibility.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 16, 2014 21:37:59

I will not stand idly by while Tom Coburn's reputation as a deficit hawk is besmirched in this thread.

I don't agree with all of his stuff, but he's got more credibility on targeting wasteful spending and cutting the deficit than basically anyone else in the country.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 16, 2014 23:28:19

And he's retiring at the end of this Congress two years early. His cancer came back, though he says his decision isn't about his health.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 16, 2014 23:51:13

jerseyhoya wrote:I will not stand idly by while Tom Coburn's reputation as a deficit hawk is besmirched in this thread.

I don't agree with all of his stuff, but he's got more credibility on targeting wasteful spending and cutting the deficit than basically anyone else in the country.


The current variant of depletion allowances is a scandal; we should tax Okie hicks out of existence. discuss.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 16, 2014 23:56:11

oh, and Coburn just made some kind of announcement he'll leave his seat 2 years before his term's up. Has prostate cancer.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Jan 17, 2014 00:34:55

drsmooth wrote:oh, and Coburn just made some kind of announcement he'll leave his seat 2 years before his term's up. Has prostate cancer.


Surprised jersey didn't note that. Clearly slipping.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 17, 2014 00:40:43

swishnicholson wrote:
drsmooth wrote:oh, and Coburn just made some kind of announcement he'll leave his seat 2 years before his term's up. Has prostate cancer.


Surprised jersey didn't note that. Clearly slipping.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 17, 2014 00:51:42

swishnicholson wrote:
drsmooth wrote:oh, and Coburn just made some kind of announcement he'll leave his seat 2 years before his term's up. Has prostate cancer.


Surprised jersey didn't note that. Clearly slipping.


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