POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 09, 2014 22:45:13

td11 wrote:
When a reporter followed up on the remark later in the press conference, Christie agreed that it was a "mistake" to say he had a sleepless two nights.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/c ... two-nights

lol


mistakes were made
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Thu Jan 09, 2014 22:58:56

jerseyhoya wrote:
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drsmooth wrote:surprised CC isn't building in hedges against info that will come out in the investigations to come. There are certainly documented exchanges between him & his now-fired staff about political activity pertinent to this incident that will come out, that he will be called on to clarify/exlain/brush off, etc.

He's painting himself into a corner by not embroidering this "I knew nothing until yesterday morning" line

Yeah, I'm perfectly willing to believe he had no knowledge of this before or as it happened. But when it hit the press, it's much harder to believe he wouldn't call in those implicated and demand a straight accounting. And that they would stand up to him and not give it. Still could have gone down that way, but I only see it happening through carefully protecting his ignorance, which is not that far from engineering a coverup.

He explained what happened from his perspective anyway back in December before he denied people from his administration were involved at the press conference today.

This morning I've terminated the employment of Bridget Kelly, effective immediately. I've terminated her employment because she lied to me. I brought my senior staff together I think about four weeks ago tomorrow. And I put to all of them one simple challenge: If there is any information that you know about the decision to close these lanes in Fort Lee, you have one hour to tell either my chief of staff, Kevin O'Dowd, or my chief counsel, Charlie McKenna.

And I told them that in an hour I was going to go out in a press conference. And if no one gave me other information to the contrary that I was going to say that no one on my staff was involved in this matter.

Over the course of the next hour, Kevin and Charlie interviewed each member of my senior staff, came back and reported to me that they all reported that there was no information other than what we already knew that had been testified to by Senator Baroni regarding this incident. I then questioned Kevin O'Dowd and Charlie McKenna directly, since they are the only two who report directly to me, and they assured me that they had no information that would change my ability to be able to say that no one, in response to Angie's question, on my staff was involved in this matter.

That was obviously a lie. And the emails that I saw for the first time yesterday morning, when they broken in I believe the Bergen Record story, proved that that was a lie. There's no justification for that behavior. There's no justification for ever lying to a governor or a person in authority in this government. And as a result, I've terminated Bridget's employment immediately this morning.


Well, I did not know that. Glad to hear he apparently gathered the staff (I haven't really been following this very closely). The questions of plausibility, responsibility and deniability will linger of course, and those present the greatest danger. As noted earlier, I, and I think most people, have a lot of trouble generating any real surprise or angst at the acts themselves.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 10, 2014 01:26:00

add following keywords to CC office email search:

Weinberg
Hoens

Maddow rounded up enough dots to make a more interesting, more plausible, maybe more consequential revenge story
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 10, 2014 02:32:56

drsmooth wrote:add following keywords to CC office email search:

Weinberg
Hoens

Maddow rounded up enough dots to make a more interesting, more plausible, maybe more consequential revenge story

An Alternate Theory of the Bridgegate Scandal

Weinberg is the #2 not the leader, but it makes a ton more sense than the stuff that was being peddled.

Kinda sick to my stomach tbh because I thought the other stuff was a load of crap, so it couldn't be true or reach up to Christie. This could be pretty not so good. Guess we'll see where the chips fall over the next few weeks/months.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Jan 10, 2014 02:39:05

I'm surprised nobody else thought to go back and see if anything significant happened in NJ around August 13 that could've provoked this retaliation. Rachel even showed a clip of Christie on August 12 and he looked pissed.

For all we know, Christie might've picked Weinberg because she could've been the most vocal of the Democrats. Judging by her interview on Rachel's show tonight, she looks like a feisty old broad.

And let me say this, judging by all the interviews I saw today, mostly by Democrats, nobody seems to want to pick a fight with Christie. They're scared shitless of him. There could be something to the bully accusations.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 10, 2014 02:52:27

Yeah Weinberg is definitely more confrontational that Sweeney, and Christie, um, has some history with her, though Lesniak is the real culprit on the Supreme Court stuff I think.

I dunno, it's still a long way from being true, but it actually makes sense so might be real. The previous shit didn't make sense.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 10, 2014 03:38:47

The funny (other people might choose a different word than funny) thing is if this is what actually happened, him closing the bridge lanes to punish her for blocking conservatives from going on the NJ Supreme Court, he might've been better off kind of admitting it from the start once news leaked. The crazy base would've loved him.

What stage is this...bargaining?

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 10, 2014 08:33:42

THE BOSS
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 10, 2014 08:34:41

Shepard Smith's coverage on FOX News of the Chris Christie bridge scandal was 'well, you can go google that'.

dang, if that isn't a passive-aggressive indictment of Ailes' handling of this story, i dont know what is
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 10, 2014 08:40:57

Glenn Greenwald's new media venture with moneyman Pierre Omidyar will be called First Look Media and the 'news' portion will be run not for profit, while the profit venture will be selling privacy technology. it is stated the reporters have no financial ties to the latter, except for that fact that their jobs will be funded by it.

it's a crazy Glenn Beck scheme of scaring people up to sell them shit.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Bucky » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:27:49

jerseyhoya wrote:Yeah Weinberg is definitely more confrontational that Sweeney, and Christie, um, has some history with her, though Lesniak is the real culprit on the Supreme Court stuff I think.

I dunno, it's still a long way from being true, but it actually makes sense so might be real. The previous #$!&@ didn't make sense.



Hmmm, I was getting the "he doth protest too much" sense when CC kept harping that he didn't even know the Ft. Lee mayor. But didn't the communications trail directly reference the mayor?? Also, the bridge tactic would be a weird way to extract revenge at that level I think. If I got stuck in traffic I wouldn't think "ARRRGGGHHHH! MY STUPID STATE SENATOR!!"

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:31:45

There has to be more backstory here. No way Kelly just says, "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," and everyone knows exactly what she's talking about and what to do.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby traderdave » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:50:40

jerseyhoya wrote:The funny (other people might choose a different word than funny) thing is if this is what actually happened, him closing the bridge lanes to punish her for blocking conservatives from going on the NJ Supreme Court, he might've been better off kind of admitting it from the start once news leaked. The crazy base would've loved him.

What stage is this...bargaining?


:lol:

I agree that this theory makes a hellava lot more sense than retribution against one of hundreds of Dems that didn't endorse Christie. What I am still missing is how the lane closures are payback to Weinberg (or anybody else); the only people affected were innocent commuters, including school children. I have never been in the retribution business but isn't it more fun and effective when it actually hurts the person you are targeting?

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Bucky » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:47:51

also, when he described his current emotion, he said something like "I'm sad. Right now I'm a sad man". In the millisecond between those last two words, I thought he was going to say "Panda". If he had, I think I would've signed up to be his presidential campaign manager.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Jan 10, 2014 13:17:50

JFLNYC wrote:There has to be more backstory here. No way Kelly just says, "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," and everyone knows exactly what she's talking about and what to do.


"Got it."

I'd be like "bitch, what'chu talkin' 'bout?'

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Bucky » Fri Jan 10, 2014 13:20:02

I'm sure they were preceded by some IRL conversations. People still do that occasionally, don't they??

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby joe table » Fri Jan 10, 2014 13:32:47

the h mart in fort lee is amazing

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 10, 2014 13:33:17

Doll Is Mine wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:There has to be more backstory here. No way Kelly just says, "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," and everyone knows exactly what she's talking about and what to do.


"Got it."

I'd be like "bitch, what'chu talkin' 'bout?'


Exactly. This plan had to have been planned earlier.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Squire » Fri Jan 10, 2014 13:57:00

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Fri Jan 10, 2014 14:19:05

Apparently there's a veto proof 77 senator vote for the new sanctions bill on Iran. I fucking hate Menendez.
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