POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:20:10

This is not limited to Christie and this situation, but it's hilarious when a leader says, as he is saying: "It's my responsibility. That's why I'm firing everyone else."
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Roger Dorn » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:28:51

The closures clogged traffic for four days on the busiest bridge in the world. The traffic caused delays for emergency responders on four occasions, including transporting an unconscious 91-year-old woman to the hospital, the Bergen Record reported. It was unclear if the delay had a role in her eventual death.


I mean...what a completely dumb and dangerous thing to do. Forget the crazy headaches you created for four days, but the staffer knowingly put people's lives at risk in order to exact some petty political retributions. Such scum.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby td11 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:34:16

this is chris christie's obamacare #benghazi
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby TomatoPie » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:35:22

Truly idiotic. Can't believe the hubris of those who would plot something so moronic, and compound the sin by discussing it in emails. Hard to imagine that Christie could be so dumb.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:50:28

surprised CC isn't building in hedges against info that will come out in the investigations to come. There are certainly documented exchanges between him & his now-fired staff about political activity pertinent to this incident that will come out, that he will be called on to clarify/exlain/brush off, etc.

He's painting himself into a corner by not embroidering this "I knew nothing until yesterday morning" line
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby cartersDad26 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:55:40

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Werthless » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:56:37

TomatoPie wrote:Truly idiotic. Can't believe the hubris of those who would plot something so moronic, and compound the sin by discussing it in emails. Hard to imagine that Christie could be so dumb.

We'll eventually find out if Christie was that dumb....

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby pacino » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:57:54

it was closed so #fastnfurious would stop and so the #irs couldnt work their magic! heroes, all
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby MoBettle » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:58:30

lol this senator's name that christie keeps talking about sounds like brony #politicalanalysis
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Werthless » Thu Jan 09, 2014 13:00:20

drsmooth wrote:surprised CC isn't building in hedges against info that will come out in the investigations to come. There are certainly documented exchanges between him & his now-fired staff about political activity pertinent to this incident that will come out, that he will be called on to clarify/exlain/brush off, etc.

He's painting himself into a corner by not embroidering this "I knew nothing until yesterday morning" line

That suggests, to me at least, either truthfullness or a simple risk-seeking strategy (essentially doubling down on the know-nothing defense, in the hopes that evidence does get uncovered that suggests otherwise, but knowing fallout will be worse if it does come out).

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 09, 2014 13:12:31

GWBgate tweet humor:

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"I've terminated Bridget's employment" presumably because her first name is a constant, painful reminder of the scandal
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 09, 2014 13:19:31

CC showing good stamina
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 09, 2014 13:26:45

1st order of biz in subsequent investigations will be to see if there is ANY reference to Sokolich or Fort Lee in ANY correspondence between ANY CC aides and CC before the bridge gate began. if there is, CC has hurt himself with his over-specific statements of denial today. It's like he's trying to be too smart
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby td11 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 15:34:39

drsmooth wrote:surprised CC isn't building in hedges against info that will come out in the investigations to come. There are certainly documented exchanges between him & his now-fired staff about political activity pertinent to this incident that will come out, that he will be called on to clarify/exlain/brush off, etc.

He's painting himself into a corner by not embroidering this "I knew nothing until yesterday morning" line


"Believe me, I havent had a lot of sleep the last two nights," he said in a press conference Thursday. "And I've been doing a lot of soul searching."

The story that implicated the embattled governor's office broke open Wednesday morning, however, which is when Christie said earlier in the news conference he learned of the matter.

When a reporter followed up on the remark later in the press conference, Christie agreed that it was a "mistake" to say he had a sleepless two nights.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/c ... two-nights

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby bleh » Thu Jan 09, 2014 19:09:24

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Jan 09, 2014 21:14:18

So it looks like he's just another Mitt who doesn't really care about the average person, except that he has better personality/political skills.

There are two choices:

1) He knew about it and is trying to cover it up. If this is the case, I think he is done. When people hear about the emergency services being affected, he will have a tough time shaking it. I find it really a stretch that everyone around him knew about it, were joking and emailing about it, and he somehow missed the whole thing. That would really go against everything I've ever heard about his management style.

2) He didn't know about it and is instead responsible for hiring a bunch of assholes who he couldn't or wouldn't control. If he is this bad of a judge of character, what business does he have in a national office? If he can't judge and control one of his best friends from high school, how can he be expected to find decent people to fill out the crucial positions in government?

I'm honestly not sure which of the two is worse, but neither will play in the media very well. I used to think it was #2, but the evidence seems to be pointing at #1.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Jan 09, 2014 21:23:22

Also, I have to say that I'm loving Wildstein being dragged into the spotlight after hiding like a rat in the shadows his whole career.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby swishnicholson » Thu Jan 09, 2014 21:30:52

drsmooth wrote:surprised CC isn't building in hedges against info that will come out in the investigations to come. There are certainly documented exchanges between him & his now-fired staff about political activity pertinent to this incident that will come out, that he will be called on to clarify/exlain/brush off, etc.

He's painting himself into a corner by not embroidering this "I knew nothing until yesterday morning" line


Yeah, I'm perfectly willing to believe he had no knowledge of this before or as it happened. But when it hit the press, it's much harder to believe he wouldn't call in those implicated and demand a straight accounting. And that they would stand up to him and not give it. Still could have gone down that way, but I only see it happening through carefully protecting his ignorance, which is not that far from engineering a coverup.
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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 09, 2014 22:14:23

swishnicholson wrote:
drsmooth wrote:surprised CC isn't building in hedges against info that will come out in the investigations to come. There are certainly documented exchanges between him & his now-fired staff about political activity pertinent to this incident that will come out, that he will be called on to clarify/exlain/brush off, etc.

He's painting himself into a corner by not embroidering this "I knew nothing until yesterday morning" line

Yeah, I'm perfectly willing to believe he had no knowledge of this before or as it happened. But when it hit the press, it's much harder to believe he wouldn't call in those implicated and demand a straight accounting. And that they would stand up to him and not give it. Still could have gone down that way, but I only see it happening through carefully protecting his ignorance, which is not that far from engineering a coverup.

He explained what happened from his perspective anyway back in December before he denied people from his administration were involved at the press conference today.

This morning I've terminated the employment of Bridget Kelly, effective immediately. I've terminated her employment because she lied to me. I brought my senior staff together I think about four weeks ago tomorrow. And I put to all of them one simple challenge: If there is any information that you know about the decision to close these lanes in Fort Lee, you have one hour to tell either my chief of staff, Kevin O'Dowd, or my chief counsel, Charlie McKenna.

And I told them that in an hour I was going to go out in a press conference. And if no one gave me other information to the contrary that I was going to say that no one on my staff was involved in this matter.

Over the course of the next hour, Kevin and Charlie interviewed each member of my senior staff, came back and reported to me that they all reported that there was no information other than what we already knew that had been testified to by Senator Baroni regarding this incident. I then questioned Kevin O'Dowd and Charlie McKenna directly, since they are the only two who report directly to me, and they assured me that they had no information that would change my ability to be able to say that no one, in response to Angie's question, on my staff was involved in this matter.

That was obviously a lie. And the emails that I saw for the first time yesterday morning, when they broken in I believe the Bergen Record story, proved that that was a lie. There's no justification for that behavior. There's no justification for ever lying to a governor or a person in authority in this government. And as a result, I've terminated Bridget's employment immediately this morning.

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Re: POLITICS thread: In appreciation of Rob Ford

Postby drsmooth » Thu Jan 09, 2014 22:42:14

Wildstein's attorney's strategy appears to be "if you want my guy to squeal on the fat boy, you find a way to let him walk after"

why else hand over evidentiary documents - as many pages as contained in the Affordable Care Act! - THEN take the 5th?
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