Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Oct 23, 2013 21:16:35

jerseyhoya wrote:
td11 wrote:the phone hotline is working pretty great right now, btw

Sounds awesome



so maybe this means the paranoid schizophrenic wing of your favored party - the wing that's currently calling the party's shots - should hyperventilate less about the awesome power of the gummint to track their mass-murder weapon ownership
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby SK790 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 18:45:19

Drill Baby Drill

Fully understand why this hasn't been getting any coverage, what with heathcare.gov being glitchy and all.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Oct 24, 2013 19:52:39

the country has made the decision to destroy North Dakota for resources, stuff like this is just collateral damage

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby SK790 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 19:57:54

It's relevant given that a potential Keystone Pipeline will go through places that are not necessarily in the middle of nowhere. Also, not sure we should turn a blind eye to gigantic oil spills anywhere given that we only have 1 planet to destroy.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Oct 24, 2013 20:03:41

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Oct 24, 2013 22:52:21

One recent poll, conducted by Rutgers University, showed that 74 percent of likely voters along the Jersey Shore are supporting him.

The backlash is ferocious.

I think most people understand they're doing everything they can, it's just a terrible situation.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Oct 24, 2013 23:29:12

JFLNYC wrote:Year After Hurricane Sandy, Victims Contest Christie’s Status as a Savior

At least it's not another ACA Website Fiasco.

Wait, so a poor disaster response shouldn't be the ultimate responsibility of the administration? Someone tell Bush!

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Oct 24, 2013 23:54:45

It isn't even a poor disaster response. It's just less than perfect (though a tremendous amount of progress has been made). Lots of people lost everything, and most of the disappointment is with insurance companies rather than the state, but you can't undo a lot of the damage.

To be honest I'm not even sure what we code Jersey Shore to be at the poll (I think Monmouth/Ocean/Atlantic/Cape May), but whatever it is, a Republican candidate running statewide in New Jersey hasn't won 74% of the vote in a single county in any statewide race since 1985. GHWB getting 72% in Sussex in 1998 is the only time a Republican has broken 70% in any county, and Christie is set to do it along the entire shore region. Clearly, they hate how he's handled things.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Oct 25, 2013 07:59:45

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Soren » Fri Oct 25, 2013 08:08:00

SK790 wrote:Drill Baby Drill

Fully understand why this hasn't been getting any coverage, what with heathcare.gov being glitchy and all.


yea but job creation! Think of the market for hazmat cleanup materials!
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 09:26:21

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Roger Dorn » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:31:38

Politicians are some of the worst people

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:02:57

Millions of Americans try to enroll in health care benefits during the first days of a new government health care program. They rely on indispensable government website that had been “pitched as a high-tech way” to sort through available coverage options. They’re encountering countless glitches and technical errors: the website freezes, displays incorrect plan information and sends insurers erroneous reports.

Administration officials — clearly caught off guard by the surge of technical difficulties — respond to “tens of thousands of complaints” from angry beneficiaries and promise to “fix every problem as quickly possible.”

This sounds like the familiar story of the last few days of the Obama administration’s rollout of the exchanges. But, actually, those quotes, and that scenario, are taken from the Bush administration’s efforts to implement the Medicare prescription drug benefit in 2005 and 2006.

Not only was Bush’s rollout “anything but smooth,” but administration officials had “some trouble getting the [online] tool up and running” and had to delay its debut for weeks. What’s more, computer glitches caused low-income beneficiaries to go without needed medications and sent pharmacies the wrong drug information. Before it was all resolved, Dr. Mark McClellan, Bush’s head of the Center for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), appeared at hearings before the House Committee On Energy And Commerce, laying out the flaws in the law’s implementation and detailing how the administration would address them.

As the House Energy and Commerce Committee holds its first hearing on the implementation of the the Affordable Care Act on Thursday, it’s worth noting that some of the very same Republicans who are lashing out against Obamacare, arguing that the botched rollout is proof that the government cannot implement effectively and should repeal the law entirely, gave the Bush administration a pass and urged Americans not to pre-judge such a complicated process. At least four of the Republicans still on the committee had argued that early implementation hurdles should not taint the entirety of reform:

REP. JOE BARTON (R-TX): “This is a huge undertaking and there are going to be glitches. My goal is the same as yours: Get rid of the glitches. The committee will work closely with yourself and Dr. Mark McClellan at CMS to get problems noticed and solved.” [Barton Statement via Archive.org, 2/15/2006]

REP. TIM MURPHY (R-PA): “Any time something is new, there is going to be some glitches. All of us, when our children were new, well, we knew as parents we didn’t exactly know everything we were doing and we had a foul-up or two, but we persevered and our children turned out well. No matter what one does in life, when it is something new in learning the ropes of it, it is going to take a little adjustment.” [Murphy Floor Speech via Congressional Record, 4/6/2006]

REP. MICHAEL BURGESS (R-TX): “We can’t undo the past, but certainly they can make the argument that we are having this hearing a month late and perhaps we are, but the reality is the prescription drug benefit is 40 years late and seniors who signed up for Medicare those first days back in 1965 when they were 65 years of age are now 106 years of age waiting for that prescription drug benefit, so I hope it doesn’t take us that long to get this right and I don’t believe that it will. And I do believe that fundamentally it is a good plan.” [“Medicare Part D: Implementation of the New Drug Benefit,” 3/1/2006]

REP. PHIL GINGREY (R-GA): “I delivered 5,200 babies, but this may be the best delivery that I have ever been a part of, Mr. Speaker, and that is delivering, as I say, on a promise made by former Congresses and other Presidents over the 45-year history of the Medicare program, which was introduced in 1965 with no prescription drug benefit. And what we have done here is add part D, the ‘D’ for ‘drug’ or, if you want, the ‘delivery’ that we have finally provided to our American seniors.” [Gingrey Floor Speech via Congressional Record, 4/6/06]

Ultimately, the Bush administration fixed the law’s technical glitches, but more than half of the beneficiaries who ended up signing up for insurance didn’t do so until after the first of the year. Significantly, they signed up for coverage despite the Bush administration’s well-publicized initial glitches in extending coverage to low-income beneficiaries. Whereas only 21 percent of seniors had a favorable impression of the law and 66 percent didn’t know what was in it in April of 2005, by November of 2006, “half of the seniors polled said the program was working well or that just minor changes were needed.”


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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:04:18

yeah, they make me embarrassed for our country and sad for our future. heard a soundbite yesterday where a D lady was saying something like "amazon.com doesn't crash at christmastime, and proflowers.com doesn't crash at valentine's day".

GUESS WHAT LADY? WHEN THEY FIRST CAME 'ROUND THEY DID!!!!!!!!!!!!

i don't know how people can be so stupid.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:04:27

jerseyhoya wrote:It isn't even a poor disaster response. It's just less than perfect (though a tremendous amount of progress has been made). Lots of people lost everything, and most of the disappointment is with insurance companies rather than the state, but you can't undo a lot of the damage.

To be honest I'm not even sure what we code Jersey Shore to be at the poll (I think Monmouth/Ocean/Atlantic/Cape May), but whatever it is, a Republican candidate running statewide in New Jersey hasn't won 74% of the vote in a single county in any statewide race since 1985. GHWB getting 72% in Sussex in 1998 is the only time a Republican has broken 70% in any county, and Christie is set to do it along the entire shore region. Clearly, they hate how he's handled things.


Yeah, but Christie is running unopposed.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:07:44

Judging politicains' effectiveness by their poll number seems a perilous route for Republicans.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:29:34

JFLNYC wrote:Link

Ah, I see. By pointing to Part D's failures, you're making an argument that the federal government cannot effectively and cost effectively provide healthcare services. You forgot to mention the other bad parts of that law outside of the implementation (donut holes, not permitted to negotiate with drug suppliers, future costs projected by CBO to increase at faster rate, etc).Thanks. Usually I'm the only one to support the libertarian position.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:36:08

Not your best work.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:22:35

Even if it's marginally effective, I always feel the need to poke fun at comments like "Look, the federal government was inept over there, too, and that time it was the other team's fault!"

:dh:

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:29:12

ACA fixed the donut hole, lots of bargaining issues and has been positively rated by the CBO.
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