jerseyhoya wrote:

President Barack Obama didn't know of problems with the Affordable Care Act's website -- despite insurance companies' complaints and the site's crashing during a test run -- until after its now well-documented abysmal launch, the nation's health chief told CNN on Tuesday.

In an exclusive interview with Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta asked when the President first learned about the considerable issues with the Obamacare website. Sebelius responded that it was in "the first couple of days" after the site went live October 1.

"But not before that?" Gupta followed up.

To which Sebelius replied, "No, sir."

The buck stops...somewhere over there.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:just call them on the phone

thephan wrote:Hoya, you are better at making arguments then that. Come on. Although his signature effort is ACA, not economic recovery, he should be able to trust that his execs are making good decisions including delaying or phasing releasing the launch. Per the quoted interview Sebelius did not do her part.

On a side note, and I am not sure the source, I heard/read that there were 55 different contractors involved in this effort. Aside from that, the software development was only started in Spring 2013.

jerseyhoya wrote:

thephan wrote:Hoya, you are better at making arguments then that. Come on. Although his signature effort is ACA, not economic recovery, he should be able to trust that his execs are making good decisions including delaying or phasing releasing the launch. Per the quoted interview Sebelius did not do her part.

On a side note, and I am not sure the source, I heard/read that there were 55 different contractors involved in this effort. Aside from that, the software development was only started in Spring 2013.

Whenever something in the administration is fucked up, we are told the president was unaware about the problems with XYZ until long after the fact, even though it's clear plenty of people at the White House were aware of the problems. Sebelius is saying he didn't even find out on October 1st, like when the rest of the world did.

I'm not saying he did a bad job on the coding, but maybe this strategy of the guy in charge not knowing about problems or potential problems (or administration officials lying about the president's knowledge) isn't the best one.

td11 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

thephan wrote:Hoya, you are better at making arguments then that. Come on. Although his signature effort is ACA, not economic recovery, he should be able to trust that his execs are making good decisions including delaying or phasing releasing the launch. Per the quoted interview Sebelius did not do her part.

On a side note, and I am not sure the source, I heard/read that there were 55 different contractors involved in this effort. Aside from that, the software development was only started in Spring 2013.

Whenever something in the administration is fucked up, we are told the president was unaware about the problems with XYZ until long after the fact, even though it's clear plenty of people at the White House were aware of the problems. Sebelius is saying he didn't even find out on October 1st, like when the rest of the world did.

I'm not saying he did a bad job on the coding, but maybe this strategy of the guy in charge not knowing about problems or potential problems (or administration officials lying about the president's knowledge) isn't the best one.

literally no one except hardcore republicans share this interpretation of events. the administration has been plenty forthright with admitting the issues with the website and addressing them and we are at day 23 of the rollout

The Nightman Cometh wrote:The Dave Weigel article on slate about three likely to win Republican candidates for Senate in strong red states is terrifying.

We are going to have a million shutdowns.

td11 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

thephan wrote:Hoya, you are better at making arguments then that. Come on. Although his signature effort is ACA, not economic recovery, he should be able to trust that his execs are making good decisions including delaying or phasing releasing the launch. Per the quoted interview Sebelius did not do her part.

On a side note, and I am not sure the source, I heard/read that there were 55 different contractors involved in this effort. Aside from that, the software development was only started in Spring 2013.

Whenever something in the administration is fucked up, we are told the president was unaware about the problems with XYZ until long after the fact, even though it's clear plenty of people at the White House were aware of the problems. Sebelius is saying he didn't even find out on October 1st, like when the rest of the world did.

I'm not saying he did a bad job on the coding, but maybe this strategy of the guy in charge not knowing about problems or potential problems (or administration officials lying about the president's knowledge) isn't the best one.

literally no one except hardcore republicans share this interpretation of events. the administration has been plenty forthright with admitting the issues with the website and addressing them and we are at day 23 of the rollout

JFLNYC wrote:I thought everyone who currently has healthcare coverage is losing it, having their work hours cut back and will have to pay more for their new coverage.

the data hub is to verify an applicant’s Social Security number with the Social Security Administration (SSA), and to access the data from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that are needed to assess the applicant’s income, citizenship, and immigration status. The data hub is also expected to access information from the Veterans Health Administration (VHA), Department of Defense (DOD), Office of Personnel Management (OPM), and Peace Corps to enable exchanges to determine if an applicant is eligible for insurance coverage from other federal programs that would make them ineligible for income-based financial subsidies.

JFLNYC wrote:The ACA website is a huge screwup and ultimate responsibility belongs to the administration and, more specifically, the President. But, you know what? It'll be fixed. Maybe it won't be fixed as quickly as everyone would like, but it will be fixed.

Let's focus on by far the huger and unfixed - if not unfixable -- healthcare problem: Private healthcare insurance before the ACA.

By law, a corporation's -- including healthcare insurance and provider corporations -- first responsibility is to make money/create value for its shareholders. By law. The best way to make money for your shareholders is to bring in as much revenue as possible while paying out as little as possible in expenses. Applied to healthcare companies, this means that, by law, they're obligated to charge as much as they can in premiums and fees and to provide as little as possible in benefits and services. That's a "healthcare" system that is systemically designed to provide as little healthcare as possible and at the greatest cost possible.

What have been some consequences of that system? First, tens of millions can't afford health insurance so they receive inadequate or no healthcare or risk financial ruin by going to the emergency room. (And, of course, the system denies them preventative healthcare which would not only help them but, ironically, would save the industry money in the long term.) Second, untold numbers with preexisting conditions are denied any hope of health insurance coverage. Third, in an effort to keep costs as low as possible, insurers drop coverage for the sick just when they need it most. And, of course, our private healthcare system has managed to accomplish these (and other) goals with skyrocketing costs which threaten to eat our economy whole.

Compared to the state of healthcare before the ACA, the ACA website fiasco is a temporary blip, barely worthy of discussion.

Nonetheless, we're assured by many on the right that the ACA has already started on its inexorable path of ruining America and everything we hold dear. So, I have a few simple, honest questions, should anyone feel inclined to inform my ignorance:

1. What is the conservative plan to provide healthcare to the tens of millions who cannot afford private health insurance?

2. What is the conservative plan to provide healthcare to those with pre-existing conditions?

3. What is the conservative plan to ensure that Americans' health insurance will not be cancelled just when they need it most?

4. And, finally, what is the conservative plan to address these and other problems with the private healthcare system while bringing down costs which are ravaging our economy?

jerseyhoya wrote:Really? I think plenty of non-hardcore Republicans including most of the mainstream White House press corps and even the Daily Show have gotten on the administration for obfuscating and underselling the extent of the problems. The administration has to have known for months that this was going to be a total flop, and certainly has known at least since September 26th when the first test run crashed the system with a few hundred people trying to use it, but they just decided on this 'tech surge' of bringing in outside help to address the shortcomings with the website after weeks of flailing about assuring people everything would soon be in working order.

Werthless wrote:I always knew you post while asleep.

td11 wrote:the phone hotline is working pretty great right now, btw