Bucky wrote:convince me why a DNA database is a bad thing/unconstitutional??

The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.

Werthless wrote:

Bucky wrote:convince me why a DNA database is a bad thing/unconstitutional??

Not a lawyer, so I'll start with wiki's definition of the 4th amendment:

The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.

General search warrants, not based on probable cause, are not permitted under the 4th amendment. A database of DNA to be used to solve crimes would be a type of "general" search warrant, where all records would be searched, even if the record was not a suspect in that case.

Bucky wrote:convince me why a DNA database is a bad thing/unconstitutional??

CalvinBall wrote:come for your guns

Phan In Phlorida wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:come for your guns

rejected NRA slogan

jerseyhoya wrote:Primary August 13, 2013
Special October 16, 2013

Cannot believe he doesn't go with an appointee until 2014 if his lawyers thought he could do it

On the other hand, it sounds like if they were going to have a primary, we couldn't have the special general on the same day as the November general because of how the statute is written

TenuredVulture wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Primary August 13, 2013
Special October 16, 2013

Cannot believe he doesn't go with an appointee until 2014 if his lawyers thought he could do it

On the other hand, it sounds like if they were going to have a primary, we couldn't have the special general on the same day as the November general because of how the statute is written

Though one basic principle governors appointing people--you make more enemies than friends when you appoint someone. Since there's no clear or obvious choice, Christie might have pissed off the leading contenders he didn't appoint.

jerseyhoya wrote:The Dem primary is going to be a bloodbath.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:The Dem primary is going to be a bloodbath.

My understanding is that it's going to be tough for anyone to compete with Booker in both organization and resources given the short time frame. We'll see I guess. I like Booker.

jerseyhoya wrote: I'd really prefer a Republican representing me for an extra year.

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:The Dem primary is going to be a bloodbath.

My understanding is that it's going to be tough for anyone to compete with Booker in both organization and resources given the short time frame. We'll see I guess. I like Booker.

Pallone had more money at the end of March than Booker ($3.7 million to $1.9 million). I'm sure Booker has closed the gap some, but Pallone has plenty of money.

Booker has a huge head start on name ID/favorability, but Pallone will give him trouble on a bunch of fronts. The public sector unions are not enamored with Booker due to how some negotiations went in Newark. He's loudly pro-voucher and very comfortable with Wall Street. The tangible record in Newark doesn't match his rhetoric. The county Dem organizations are not big fans of his, and there's lingering resentment for how he handled his senate announcement/pushing out Lautenberg.

Pallone already has the money to go after Booker on TV, but if he can get union endorsements and the county line in a bunch of places, he might have a shot in the low turnout August primary.