Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Thu Jun 06, 2013 20:33:24

Good to see he's ready to go out of the gate. Forgot his talking points at home, I guess.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jun 06, 2013 20:44:56

pacino wrote:House Republicans decide to cast a vote to show they hate DREAMers:
The Republican-controlled House voted Thursday to resume the deportation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants brought illegally to the United States as children, a largely symbolic move in the first immigration-related vote in either chamber of Congress this year and a measure of the daunting challenge facing supporters of a sweeping overhaul of existing law on the subject.

The party-line vote of 224-201 was aimed at blocking implementation of President Barack Obama's 2012 election-year order to stop deportations of many so-called DREAM Act individuals. Democrats on the House floor reacted with boos when the provision was added to a routine spending bill for the Department of Homeland Security.


We'd rather lose with white voters than win with a few brown ones.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Thu Jun 06, 2013 20:56:28

TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:House Republicans decide to cast a vote to show they hate DREAMers:
The Republican-controlled House voted Thursday to resume the deportation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants brought illegally to the United States as children, a largely symbolic move in the first immigration-related vote in either chamber of Congress this year and a measure of the daunting challenge facing supporters of a sweeping overhaul of existing law on the subject.

The party-line vote of 224-201 was aimed at blocking implementation of President Barack Obama's 2012 election-year order to stop deportations of many so-called DREAM Act individuals. Democrats on the House floor reacted with boos when the provision was added to a routine spending bill for the Department of Homeland Security.


We'd rather lose with white voters than win with a few brown ones.

essentially exactly what Phyllis Schafly just stated recently:
The idea that Republicans should court the Hispanic vote is "a great myth," Schlafly said. “And there is not the slightest bit of evidence they are going to vote Republican. And the people the Republicans should reach out to are the white votes—the white voters who didn’t vote in the last election.”

“The propagandists are leading us down the wrong path,” she added. “There’s not any evidence at all that these Hispanics coming in from Mexico will vote Republican.”
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Jun 06, 2013 21:23:13

jerseyhoya wrote:
traderdave wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:AG Jeff Chiesa will be the next senator


I was in a committee meeting at the Capital when this was officially announced today and it really seemed to take a lot of people by surprise.

The bottom line here appears to be that we all are paying $24 million so that Christie can scratch his buddy's back with a three-week gig while protecting his own ass for November. I voted for Christie in 2009 and will very likely vote for him again in 2013 (because Buono is pretty much an idiot) but this is just stupid and Christie knows it. I feel very badly for speaking ill of the deceased but this, frankly, is all Lautenberg's fault. He had no business running for re-election last time around.

$12 million for the primary and $12 million for the special general. He could have went with the state parties picking candidates, but I think such a big thing (might be our senator for decades to come) is worth letting voters choose the candidates in the primary.

He could've waited a bit to make the appointment to call the election so the general would fall on Election Day, but it's kind of weird to just sit there with the seat empty. For one thing, the votes on immigration reform are starting next week, and that might be the most important thing the Senate does all year. He also made an interesting argument at the presser today saying when the New Jersey Constitution was written, they picked the odd year elections specifically to avoid federal elections from coinciding with the state elections to make sure the focus of state elections was state issues.

I wish he tried to have the appointment serve the whole term, but as he mentioned at the press conference today, as a New Jersey Republican, he knows most of the time the courts are asked to get involved it ends poorly for us. Eh, I still would've liked to see him try.

Aren't you closer to the democrats on immigration?
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jun 06, 2013 21:39:59

I favor some sort of a path to citizenship, but would also like them to seriously focus on securing the border so we don't have this argument again in 10-15 years.

Also what the hell does that have to do with the post you quoted?

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jun 07, 2013 03:02:39

Shelia Oliver (Assembly speaker; African American female) rumored to be considering a Senate bid. If she got in, this would be about as fascinating as a race could possibly be. Ideology, race, gender, party factions, regional splits. Goddamn.

On our side, I understand no one wants to lose a super low turnout primary to Lonegan, but the establishment has to fucking put someone forward. It's a free race. No one has to give up their seat to run in it. I'll help get signatures this weekend if you need a volunteer. Just do it.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jun 07, 2013 07:48:41

Roger Dorn wrote:

This marks the first time the classified program, nicknamed PRISM and established in 2007, has been made public. The disclosure comes on the same day as the Obama administration fielded charges that it secretly obtained records for millions of Verizon customers.

Firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities, is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide PowerPoint slides about PRISM and supporting materials to The Washington Post in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,” the officer said.


and horror at their capabilities


horror

“They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type”


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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Fri Jun 07, 2013 07:51:05

jerseyhoya wrote:Misfired 2010 email alerted IRS officials in Washington of targeting

IRS agents: Washington involved with tea party targeting

Just a few low level folks in Cincinnati operating on their own...

not WASHINGTON?! guess i just dont see the smoking gun here. two employees pissed they were called out saying that 'washington' wanted it.

now, they couldnt say who in Washington, but of course not. that would mean the person could respond and defend themselves.

when zero orgs were denied the exemption when they all should've been denied it, that's the true scandal.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jun 07, 2013 07:58:48

jerseyhoya wrote:Misfired 2010 email alerted IRS officials in Washington of targeting

IRS agents: Washington involved with tea party targeting

Just a few low level folks in Cincinnati operating on their own...



gee I've never heard of people being blamed for something looking to put blame off on someone else, someplace else, higher up

/sarcasm
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jun 07, 2013 08:04:12

if I were the gummint, I'd lead my answers to questions about what phone data I'd rounded up with a data dictionary showing exactly and in excruciating detail what kind of info I was rounding up.

People don't ever look at their OWN phone bill, much less look at a bunch of phone bills together
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 02, 2013 07:54:08

pacino wrote:oops:
Data compiled by the New York Police Department as a result of the city’s controversial focus on stop-and-frisk measures has shown that those suspects who were white were more often to be found in possession of weapons and drugs.

The analysis of 2012 statistics provided by the Public Advocate’s office shows that the likelihood that an African American detained for search would be found in possession of a weapon was half that of a white person.

Specifically, the New York Police Department uncovered a weapon in one out of every 49 stops of white New Yorkers, while for Latinos a weapon was found for every 71 stops, and for African Americans that number was 93 stops.
Meanwhile, the likelihood that a stop of an African American New Yorker would yield contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped.

This most recent analysis of the NYPD’s statistics may well add more fuel to the fire over the stop-and-frisk controversy. The report by the Public Advocate’s Office leaves little room to interpret its findings after surveying the 2012 data.

“Despite the overall reduction in stops, the proportion involving black and Latino New Yorkers has remained unchanged. They continue to constitute 84 percent of all stops, despite comprising only 54 percent of the general population. And the innocence rates remain at the same level as 2011 – at nearly 89 percent.”

Meanwhile, in a separate analysis by the New York Civil Liberties Union of these same statistics, the group revealed that out of 532,911 stop-and-frisk searches in 2012, just 729 guns were found.

On Monday, Judge Scheindlin referred to the “high error rate” correlated with the stop-and-frisk practice, in which 88 per cent of stops yielded no evidence of criminality.

“You reasonably suspect something and you’re wrong 90 percent of the time,” said Scheindlin to a lawyer representing the city.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 02, 2013 07:54:27

pacino wrote:yeah, that;'s why i didnt put it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/opini ... .html?_r=0
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