Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Tue Jun 04, 2013 15:56:05

bleh wrote:On that CRNC survey from the other day 3% of college students said taxes should be lowered on the rich. That's pretty hilarious. It's basically the core principle of the Republican party. (I know conservatives will say it isn't but whatever.)

31% say “taxes should be cut for everyone.” That's closer to the Republican platform.

Also,
82% say "We need to make tough choices about cutting government spending, even on some programs some people really like, because the national debt is simply out of control.
72% say "We need to reduce the size of government, because it is simply too big."

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Jun 04, 2013 16:41:43

Christie is just trolling the Republicans now. It's hilarious.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Swiggers » Tue Jun 04, 2013 16:43:15

Doll Is Mine wrote:Christie is just trolling the Republicans now. It's hilarious.


Some tumbleweeds GOP congressman was on CNN asserting that this would hurt Christie's chances of re-election. Uh, no. Obviously he knows zero about NJ voters.
jerseyhoya wrote:I think the reason you get yelled at is you appear to hate listening to sports talk radio, but regularly listen to sports talk radio, and then frequently post about how bad listening to sports talk radio is after you were once again listening to it.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jun 04, 2013 21:13:32

Rush Holt looking like he will run as well.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue Jun 04, 2013 22:20:51

blame the women:
Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R) said Tuesday that an increasing number of working mothers are the root of America's educational troubles.

In a Washington Post Live discussion with Delaware Gov. Jack Markell (D) and New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez (R) on early childhood literacy, moderator Mary Jordan asked the three participants how America's educational outcomes became "so mediocre." Bryant was the first to respond.

"I think both parents started working," Bryant said. "The mom got in the work place."

The governor realized the implications of his answer and quickly clarified the response, stressing the role of parents in education.

"In today’s society parents are so challenged," he said. "They’re working overtime.”
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue Jun 04, 2013 22:22:49

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jun 04, 2013 22:27:08

pacino wrote:blame the women:
Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R) said Tuesday that an increasing number of working mothers are the root of America's educational troubles.

In a Washington Post Live discussion with Delaware Gov. Jack Markell (D) and New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez (R) on early childhood literacy, moderator Mary Jordan asked the three participants how America's educational outcomes became "so mediocre." Bryant was the first to respond.

"I think both parents started working," Bryant said. "The mom got in the work place."

The governor realized the implications of his answer and quickly clarified the response, stressing the role of parents in education.

"In today’s society parents are so challenged," he said. "They’re working overtime.”

That sounds like a pretty reasonable hypothesis
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue Jun 04, 2013 22:35:27

sounds like bullshit to me. there's nothing that says working parents can't have perfectly terrifically smart kids. both sides of my family have had working women going back to the 40s...somehow we did it. it's just a 'punch the single mom' thing that he realized was too obviously that so he quickly retracted.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Tue Jun 04, 2013 22:38:12

ACORN at it again!:
House Republicans are scheduled to vote on two separate budget bills this week, each of which would reject funding for the poverty activism group ACORN, despite the fact that ACORN disbanded three years ago.

ACORN, also known as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, came under heavy fire in the fall of 2009 after conservative videographer James O'Keefe released a set of selectively edited videos that appeared to show its employees offering advice on tax avoidance related to prostitution and child smuggling. Independent investigations by the California attorney general, the Massachusetts attorney general and the Brooklyn, N.Y., district attorney would later clear ACORN of criminal wrongdoing, and an investigation by the Government Accountability Office would clear ACORN of charges that it mishandled federal funds.

But in the fall of 2009, Congress banned federal funding for ACORN using broad language that applied to "any organization" that had been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws or campaign finance laws or with filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. The funding ban also extended to any employees, contractors or others affiliated with any group so charged.

Struggling with the bad publicity and loss of federal funds, ACORN dissolved in early 2010. Just to be sure, however, Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas) included this language in a government funding bill introduced on May 28 of this year: "None of the funds made available in this Act may be distributed to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) or its subsidiaries or successors."

Section 545 of a bill put forward the next day by Rep. John Carter (R-Texas) delves still deeper into faux certainty, extending the funding ban to "any prior appropriations Act."

In fact, ACORN has no subsidiaries, because it has not existed for three years. Neither bill defines "successors," but the broad language of the original 2009 funding ban left little room for leeway, extending to "Any State chapter of ACORN registered with the Secretary of State's office in that State," "any organization that shares directors, employees, or independent contractors with ACORN," and any organization that "employs" someone "indicted" for violations that ACORN was initially charged with.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jun 04, 2013 23:00:55

pacino wrote:sounds like bullshit to me. there's nothing that says working parents can't have perfectly terrifically smart kids. both sides of my family have had working women going back to the 40s...somehow we did it. it's just a 'punch the single mom' thing that he realized was too obviously that so he quickly retracted.

I guess I missed where he said it was impossible for children to succeed academically in a household with two working parents.

I'm sure there's work out there on this, and it strikes me that it would be a real mess trying to disentangle all the causal factors, but there being a parent at home with children leading to better education outcomes sounds pretty reasonable.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 23:02:40

i think the problem is more with the fact that he uttered the phrase "the mom got in the work place." he could have left it at the both parents having to work thing
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jun 04, 2013 23:19:24

jerseyhoya wrote: it would be a real mess trying to disentangle all the causal factors


shoulda stopped there
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jun 04, 2013 23:38:31

You know what they say - crime is money:

NY Times wrote:A County in Alabama Strikes a Bankruptcy Deal

...JPMorgan was widely expected to make big concessions as part of any bankruptcy settlement, because some former officials of the bank were found to have been involved in improprieties in connection with a county debt refinancing in 2002 and 2003. That refinancing involved a complex package of variable-rate bonds and derivatives called interest-rate swaps.

A lawsuit by the county against JPMorgan over the improprieties, still active in state court, would be resolved as part of the proposed agreement.

Despite [over $700 million in bank] concessions [made in previous court contests over the bank's role in rigging up the debt shenanigans], residents of Jefferson County have still often complained that they were treated inequitably because several of their elected officials went to prison as a result of the refinancing, while no one from the bank was convicted of a crime.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jun 05, 2013 00:30:03

Christie winning over 92% of the vote in tonight's primary and has about 30,000 more votes than Buono has in her noncompetitive primary despite there being 700,000 more Democratic voters in the state.

PROBLEMS WITH THE BASE

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Wed Jun 05, 2013 01:19:24

td11 wrote:i think the problem is more with the fact that he uttered the phrase "the mom got in the work place." he could have left it at the both parents having to work thing

So the problem isn't his hypothesis, but that he phrased his hypothesis in a non-PC way?

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 09:07:06

no

the "both parents having to work" is not the same hypothesis as "the mom got in the work place." the first is not offensive, the 2nd will rile liberals up.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 05, 2013 09:11:21

zombie attack on the White House:
As we already know: Where there's ricin, there's weirdness. While the life of 33-year-old Army veteran Nathaniel Richardson — the New Boston, Texas man initially suspected of sending anti-gun control-themed, ricin-laced letters to President Obama and Mayor Bloomberg this week — sounded mundane at first, the New York Post reports his wife, Shannon Guess, had small parts in The Vampire Diaries and The Walking Dead. (Her resume also boasts appearances in The Blind Side, Medea's Big Happy Family, and an Avis commercial.) And Richardson is reportedly accusing her of setting him up.

Richardson first came to investigators' attention when Guess called 911 to report a "Tupperware with what looked like ricin in the refrigerator," ricin-making instructions, and online searches for President Obama and Mayor Bloomberg on her home computer. The FBI questioned Richardson for hours after discovering castor beans, which are used to make ricin, in his car, according to the Post. However, the beans were purchased with a credit card, and Richardson claims he doesn't use credit cards. And then there's this: "'He says they are going through a divorce and that she was away for a few days,' said one law-enforcement source. 'He says it was when she got back that she found the [purported] ricin.'"

Richardson was released on Friday because there was not enough evidence to keep him in custody, though a police source says he's "still a suspect." Guess, a thrice-married pregnant mother of five children (with two tattoos, the ability to play the flute, and paralegal and teaching degrees, according to her IMDB profile), was then brought in for questioning. The Post says they will both receive polygraphs. Sure, this isn't as wacky as April's ricin letter story, where an organ harvesting-obsessed Elvis impersonator was framed by his "longtime personal enemy" (who happened to be a tae kwon do instructor and an alleged child molester), but it'll do for now.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:34:44

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:i think the problem is more with the fact that he uttered the phrase "the mom got in the work place." he could have left it at the both parents having to work thing

So the problem isn't his hypothesis, but that he phrased his hypothesis in a non-PC way?

So in your parlance, does "sexist as hell" simply become "non-PC"?

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:10:03

Describing an objective reality in unoffensive language = sexist as hell?

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:36:52

jerseyhoya wrote:Describing an objective reality in unoffensive language = sexist as hell?

By implying that a woman belongs in the home and that under no circumstances should a man stay at home, then yes.

But hey, I'm just an ignorant clod who clearly failed to thrive in society due to being raised by a single working mother, so what do I know?

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