Werthless wrote:

dajafi wrote:A sub-minimum or apprenticeship wage for non-primary earners would be my wish here

I don't know about that... we already have that with unpaid internships, which disproportionately benefit the wealthy who are able to make the tradeoff of current wages in exchange for experience. Most policies aimed to curb youth unemployment through wage manipulation either hurts poor youths or low-income wage earners.

dajafi wrote:The value of work experience for youth isn't primarily compensation. It's network-building, socialization to employment norms and greater clarity around education/career planning....

Werthless wrote:I must say that Jack Lew having investments in Cayman-based funds is delicious irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

I can't wait for the snarky criticisms of Jack Lew from Doll is Mine, JFLNYC, Monkeyboy, and Youseff on this issue.

Obama excoriated his opponent in last year’s election as being unfit for office for having such investments. So by Obama’s own standard, shouldn’t Lew be considered unfit for office as well? Obama specifically called the investment Lew held the world’s biggest “tax scam.” Should the man responsible for U.S. tax policy be someone the president says was involved in a “tax scam”? Someone the Democratic Senate Finance Committee chairman says was “feasting at America’s taxpayers’ expense”?

A White House spokesman, Eric Schultz, pointed out that Lew broke no laws and “paid all of his taxes and reported all of the income, gains and losses from the investment on his tax returns.” But last year Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said that while Romney had not technically broken any laws by keeping his money in offshore tax havens, “is not technically breaking the law a high-enough standard for someone who wants to be president of the United States?” Well, is not technically breaking the law a high-enough standard for someone who wants to be secretary of the Treasury?

Investing in the Cayman Islands does not make Lew unfit to be Treasury secretary. But it does make him unfit to be Obama’s Treasury secretary.

jerseyhoya wrote:Jesus wept

Phan In Phlorida wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Jesus wept

I like the crawl text at the bottom. Afganistan wants bottled water!

Monkeyboy wrote:

Werthless wrote:I must say that Jack Lew having investments in Cayman-based funds is delicious irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

I can't wait for the snarky criticisms of Jack Lew from Doll is Mine, JFLNYC, Monkeyboy, and Youseff on this issue.

I don't know who you have me confused with, but I don't defend behavior like that. It's pretty rare for me to defend anyone who break the law or send pics of themselves to people who aren't their wives. Maybe you are confusing me with yourself defending that horse's ass, Romney?

dajafi wrote:

Werthless wrote:

dajafi wrote:A sub-minimum or apprenticeship wage for non-primary earners would be my wish here

I don't know about that... we already have that with unpaid internships, which disproportionately benefit the wealthy who are able to make the tradeoff of current wages in exchange for experience. Most policies aimed to curb youth unemployment through wage manipulation either hurts poor youths or low-income wage earners.

Yes, laissez-faire always works out great for poor kids of color.

Werthless wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

Werthless wrote:I must say that Jack Lew having investments in Cayman-based funds is delicious irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

I can't wait for the snarky criticisms of Jack Lew from Doll is Mine, JFLNYC, Monkeyboy, and Youseff on this issue.

I don't know who you have me confused with, but I don't defend behavior like that. It's pretty rare for me to defend anyone who break the law or send pics of themselves to people who aren't their wives. Maybe you are confusing me with yourself defending that horse's ass, Romney?

You snarkily criticized Romney for having money in the Caymans, so I look forward to the snark directed at Obama for nominating someone who did the same thing to lead the Treasury.

Werthless wrote:...

(My point is that wage manipulation hurts...

drsmooth wrote:

Werthless wrote:...

(My point is that wage manipulation hurts...

God FUCKING dammit - ALL wages are "manipulated".

unless you believe that a jackass like Jaimie Dimon is actually "worth" 1/1000th of what he "earns" (see how the very language of this shit warps assessments of value? If you're completely fucking stupid you might even imagine that there was some sort of PHYSICS operating behind those paychecks)

Werthless wrote:

dajafi wrote:

Werthless wrote:

dajafi wrote:A sub-minimum or apprenticeship wage for non-primary earners would be my wish here

I don't know about that... we already have that with unpaid internships, which disproportionately benefit the wealthy who are able to make the tradeoff of current wages in exchange for experience. Most policies aimed to curb youth unemployment through wage manipulation either hurts poor youths or low-income wage earners.

Yes, laissez-faire always works out great for poor kids of color.

Newt, I thought such a program would hurt janitor employment?

(My point is that wage manipulation hurts EITHER poor youths OR low-income wage earners. I'm not saying the tradeoff isn't worth it. I actually think your program proposal, which resembles the one that Gingrich proposes, would be a net positive.)

drsmooth wrote:

dajafi wrote:The value of work experience for youth isn't primarily compensation. It's network-building, socialization to employment norms and greater clarity around education/career planning....

"midnight basketball" is socialistic makework communism

on the other hand, a noon-hour squash match with chauncey at the club imbues vigor

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

Werthless wrote:...

(My point is that wage manipulation hurts...

God FUCKING dammit - ALL wages are "manipulated".

unless you believe that a jackass like Jaimie Dimon is actually "worth" 1/1000th of what he "earns" (see how the very language of this shit warps assessments of value? If you're completely fucking stupid you might even imagine that there was some sort of PHYSICS operating behind those paychecks)

Is this necessary?

dajafi wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

dajafi wrote:The value of work experience for youth isn't primarily compensation. It's network-building, socialization to employment norms and greater clarity around education/career planning....

"midnight basketball" is socialistic makework communism

on the other hand, a noon-hour squash match with chauncey at the club imbues vigor

I'm not sure I got this one... but midnight basketball IIRC was a crime reduction strategy.

Also, I believe it worked, though there's a non-zero chance this is liberal policy storytelling.

Werthless wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

Werthless wrote:I must say that Jack Lew having investments in Cayman-based funds is delicious irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

I can't wait for the snarky criticisms of Jack Lew from Doll is Mine, JFLNYC, Monkeyboy, and Youseff on this issue.

I don't know who you have me confused with, but I don't defend behavior like that. It's pretty rare for me to defend anyone who break the law or send pics of themselves to people who aren't their wives. Maybe you are confusing me with yourself defending that horse's ass, Romney?

You snarkily criticized Romney for having money in the Caymans, so I look forward to the snark directed at Obama for nominating someone who did the same thing to lead the Treasury.

A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene.

Far from a genuine grassroots uprising, this astroturf effort was curated by wealthy industrialists years in advance. Many of the anti-science operatives who defended cigarettes are currently deploying their tobacco-inspired playbook internationally to evade accountability for the fossil fuel industry's role in driving climate disruption.


The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, traces the roots of the Tea Party's anti-tax movement back to the early 1980s when tobacco companies began to invest in third party groups to fight excise taxes on cigarettes, as well as health studies finding a link between cancer and secondhand cigarette smoke.

The two main organizations identified in the UCSF Quarterback study are Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks. Both groups are now "supporting the tobacco companies' political agenda by mobilizing local Tea Party opposition to tobacco taxes and smoke-free laws." Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity were once a single organization called Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE). CSE was founded in 1984 by the infamous Koch Brothers, David and Charles Koch, and received over $5.3 million from tobacco companies, mainly Philip Morris, between 1991 and 2004.

dajafi wrote:I suspect you're using the Gingrich comparison to get a rise out of me, which admittedly is fair since I snarkily accused you of falling back on your ideology without giving it real thought.