Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby thephan » Wed Feb 13, 2013 14:57:47

All the chatter and chaff about Rand Paul's response for the Tea Party, I have heard nothing more about it. I have not looked for it, but there was some open mocking on the stupidity of letting it happen in a legitimate light in the media in D.C. Rubio was welcomed, but it was noted that Rubio is a Tea Party darling so what is the deal with Paul.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Soren » Wed Feb 13, 2013 15:15:59

Werthless wrote:I must say that Jack Lew having investments in Cayman-based funds is delicious irony.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

I can't wait for the snarky criticisms of Jack Lew from Doll is Mine, JFLNYC, Monkeyboy, and Youseff on this issue. :)

Obama excoriated his opponent in last year’s election as being unfit for office for having such investments. So by Obama’s own standard, shouldn’t Lew be considered unfit for office as well? Obama specifically called the investment Lew held the world’s biggest “tax scam.” Should the man responsible for U.S. tax policy be someone the president says was involved in a “tax scam”? Someone the Democratic Senate Finance Committee chairman says was “feasting at America’s taxpayers’ expense”?

A White House spokesman, Eric Schultz, pointed out that Lew broke no laws and “paid all of his taxes and reported all of the income, gains and losses from the investment on his tax returns.” But last year Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said that while Romney had not technically broken any laws by keeping his money in offshore tax havens, “is not technically breaking the law a high-enough standard for someone who wants to be president of the United States?” Well, is not technically breaking the law a high-enough standard for someone who wants to be secretary of the Treasury?

Investing in the Cayman Islands does not make Lew unfit to be Treasury secretary. But it does make him unfit to be Obama’s Treasury secretary.


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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Feb 13, 2013 15:42:58

I have no doubts Democrats are corrupt. Don't throw me into that conversation. I'm of the camp that Republicans are by and large (not exclusively) stupider and more evil than Dems. That's my camp.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Feb 13, 2013 15:52:51

Youseff wrote:I have no doubts Democrats are corrupt. Don't throw me into that conversation. I'm of the camp that Republicans are by and large (not exclusively) stupider and more evil than Dems. That's my camp.

When you were asking whether Obama was saving his Cayman Islands questions to the last debate, I suppose you were hoping that Obama would draw out some advice from Romney that you could use to help your own investment performance. Of course.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Feb 13, 2013 15:56:47

I just thought it a strategically effective debate point.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:09:24

Historian Michael Beschloss on that crappy Cycle show on MSNBC, his appearance notable only for the fact that he has on the worst toupee that a human head has ever supported.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:13:14

Werthless wrote:I don't understand what you're arguing for, doc, so it's hard for me to address you directly. I'm guessing that you think the federal minimum wage should be immediately raised to $9/hr?



I'm not arguing for or against any particular number; rather underscoring yet again that this is primarily a political rather than an economic matter.

You burn up more economic resources trying to weigh the true +/- impact than the +/- impact amounts to
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:13:19

I enjoy the Cycle. Toure, Krystal Ball, and Steve Kornacki are awesome.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby dajafi » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:15:48

Bucky wrote:watched the speech in a luxury bar/restaurant on Wall Street last night

Guess how that went


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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:23:29

dajafi wrote:
Bucky wrote:watched the speech in a luxury bar/restaurant on Wall Street last night

Guess how that went


Which one?



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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby dajafi » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:24:38

On minimum wage:

1) phased in, it does more good than harm, because the boost to demand is real; research is pretty unambiguous about that

2) if it's a national rate--a floor--I'm inclined to agree that it should be toward the lower end of the 50 states

3) in terms of what I do for a living and the policy stuff I most care about, I'm terrified for the unintended consequences to youth employment of a minimum wage increase. Already it's very, very tough to put low-income kids (who lack the family/social networks we took for granted) to get "first jobs," particularly as the Feds don't fund youth employment much anymore. A big boost could be crippling, and given what we know about path dependency in youth employment the long term effects could be devastating. A sub-minimum or apprenticeship wage for non-primary earners would be my wish here, or some kind of tax incentive for employers who hire young adults... though tax incentives only work if they're large and highly publicized.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:34:19

dajafi wrote:A sub-minimum or apprenticeship wage for non-primary earners would be my wish here

I don't know about that... we already have that with unpaid internships, which disproportionately benefit the wealthy who are able to make the tradeoff of current wages in exchange for experience. Most policies aimed to curb youth unemployment through wage manipulation either hurts poor youths or low-income wage earners.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:34:51

dajafi wrote:On minimum wage:

1) phased in, it does more good than harm, because the boost to demand is real; research is pretty unambiguous about that

2) if it's a national rate--a floor--I'm inclined to agree that it should be toward the lower end of the 50 states

3) in terms of what I do for a living and the policy stuff I most care about, I'm terrified for the unintended consequences to youth employment of a minimum wage increase. Already it's very, very tough to put low-income kids (who lack the family/social networks we took for granted) to get "first jobs," particularly as the Feds don't fund youth employment much anymore. A big boost could be crippling, and given what we know about path dependency in youth employment the long term effects could be devastating. A sub-minimum or apprenticeship wage for non-primary earners would be my wish here, or some kind of tax incentive for employers who hire young adults... though tax incentives only work if they're large and highly publicized.


How hard would it be to implement such a policy, and how much policing would there have to be to make sure McDonalds wasn't counting primary wage earners as teenagers?
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:38:00

We'd probably need a federal enforcement division in charge of auditing businesses to ensure compliance. By hiring 20,000 people for this division, we're also helping employment!

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 13, 2013 16:47:55

dajafi wrote:On minimum wage:
3) in terms of what I do for a living and the policy stuff I most care about, I'm terrified for the unintended consequences to youth employment of a minimum wage increase. Already it's very, very tough to put low-income kids (who lack the family/social networks we took for granted) to get "first jobs," particularly as the Feds don't fund youth employment much anymore. A big boost could be crippling, and given what we know about path dependency in youth employment the long term effects could be devastating. A sub-minimum or apprenticeship wage for non-primary earners would be my wish here, or some kind of tax incentive for employers who hire young adults... though tax incentives only work if they're large and highly publicized.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Barry Jive » Wed Feb 13, 2013 17:45:53

no offense but you are everything that's wrong with America

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 17:49:13

jerseyhoya wrote:Jesus wept


politico not much better:

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Feb 13, 2013 17:51:44

this is insanity. time to tank for the draft

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Feb 13, 2013 17:59:27

Rubio was a disaster last night. Dry mouth, wiping sweat off his forehead, etc. Nerves got the better of him. He's done.

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