Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby allentown » Tue Feb 26, 2013 19:30:26

swishnicholson wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:How hard would it be for Obama to come up with 85 billion dollars of cuts and send them to Congress and say something like--you may not like these, but the alternatives are worse for everyone. But you know, it's up to you.


I expected this to happen back in December, and would like to see it now. The only reasons i can think of that it hasn't are either a) cynically political-it's the Republicans that are making themselves look bad and losing favor with the public, so why help them out of this mess? or B) wearily strategic-any offer to produce cuts before the 11th hour will simply be a giveaway to no purpose, derided yet cemented in place, without inducing any movement on the revenue side. The whole thing is just depressing.

We need a balanced approach that increases revenue by reducing tax expenditures, reduces defense spending, reduces entitlements, and reduces non-defense discretionary spending, although of these 4 categories, non-defense discretionary spending is the one area that has already been cut rather brutally. So, what possible reason would Obama have to volunteer a program that substituted further reductions in non-defense discretionary spending or entitlements, in order to avoid the very necessary reductions in defense spending? He isn't going to get the defense reductions through the HOuse any other way. If the Repubs want to reduce the defense spending cuts, they need to volunteer revenue raisers.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Feb 26, 2013 22:45:43

Because he could target programs that are favored by Republicans--farm programs, fossil fuel subsidies, etc.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 27, 2013 03:08:28

Tough to think of a more interesting/hilarious/depressing recent election than those held in Italy Sunday/Monday

What a shitty country

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 27, 2013 03:17:56

La Maestra in Detention - And I thought our teacher's unions were terrible

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Feb 27, 2013 23:17:10

Bert Rein providing me my weekly reminder of why I hate Republicans so very much.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby allentown » Wed Feb 27, 2013 23:27:08

TenuredVulture wrote:Because he could target programs that are favored by Republicans--farm programs, fossil fuel subsidies, etc.

Fossil fuel subsidies are actually tax expenditures, which Republicans have taken off the table.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Feb 27, 2013 23:44:51

allentown wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Because he could target programs that are favored by Republicans--farm programs, fossil fuel subsidies, etc.

Fossil fuel subsidies are actually tax expenditures, which Republicans have taken off the table.


It doesn't matter if you're using the tax code or spending money from the treasury--it's all expenditures from an economic perspective. It's an interference with the free market.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 28, 2013 00:31:05

Youseff wrote:Bert Rein providing me my weekly reminder of why I hate Republicans so very much.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Feb 28, 2013 00:39:21

jerseyhoya wrote:
Youseff wrote:Bert Rein providing me my weekly reminder of why I hate Republicans so very much.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:04:49

Woodward catching heatfor his op-ed that calls out the administration for their lies regarding the sequester.

When the president asks that a substitute for the sequester include not just spending cuts but also new revenue, he is moving the goal posts," Woodward wrote. "His call for a balanced approach is reasonable, and he makes a strong case that those in the top income brackets could and should pay more. But that was not the deal he made.


"They're not happy at all," he said on CNN's "The Situation Room," adding that an e-mail from a senior administration official - who he would not name - communicated a message which caused him great concern.

"It was said very clearly, you will regret doing this," he said.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:11:19

Ex-NBA star Dennis Rodman met North Korea's Kim Jong Un on Thursday on the third day of his improbable journey to Pyongyang, telling the leader "You have a friend for life," a delegation spokesman said.

Rodman and Kim sat side by side at an exhibition game in Pyongyang, chatting as they watched players from North Korea and the U.S. play on mixed teams, Alex Detrick, a spokesman for the New York-based VICE media company, told The Associated Press.

Kim, a diehard basketball fan, told Rodman he hoped the visit would break the ice between the United States and North Korea, Detrick said. Kim later invited the Americans to dinner.

The encounter makes Rodman the most high-profile American to meet with the young North Korean leader since Kim took power in December 2011, and takes place against a backdrop of tension between Washington and Pyongyang.

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After the game, Rodman addressed Kim in a speech before a crowd of tens of thousands of North Koreans, telling him, "You have a friend for life," Detrick said.

The leader later plied the group with liquor, according to VICE TV producer Jason Mojica.

"Um ... so Kim Jong Un just got the #VICEonHBO crew wasted ... no really, that happened," Mojica wrote on his Twitter feed from Pyongyang.

We live in interesting times

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:14:34

Werthless wrote:Woodward catching heatfor his op-ed that calls out the administration for their lies regarding the sequester.

When the president asks that a substitute for the sequester include not just spending cuts but also new revenue, he is moving the goal posts," Woodward wrote. "His call for a balanced approach is reasonable, and he makes a strong case that those in the top income brackets could and should pay more. But that was not the deal he made.


"They're not happy at all," he said on CNN's "The Situation Room," adding that an e-mail from a senior administration official - who he would not name - communicated a message which caused him great concern.

"It was said very clearly, you will regret doing this," he said.


lol

politico has the actual email exchange between woodward and gene sperling. you should check it out. woodward looks like a buffoon in this situation
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:23:28

that's what you call cherry picking.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:59:12

td11 wrote:politico has the actual email exchange between woodward and gene sperling. you should check it out. woodward looks like a buffoon in this situation

Yuck. He really shouldnt have said that, I see. Two lies don't make a truth.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby dajafi » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:02:31

David Plouffe w the Phillies-relevant tweet abt this... compares it to Schmidt facing live pitching today.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:05:06

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:politico has the actual email exchange between woodward and gene sperling. you should check it out. woodward looks like a buffoon in this situation

Yuck. He really shouldnt have said that, I see. Two lies don't make a truth.


and nothing makes sequestration a way to govern. The politics of the possible get real ugly when you have participants who essentially believe that when it comes to governing, nothing is the ideal form of possible, and that less than nothing is better
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 16:23:02

this is a terrible read.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby pacino » Thu Feb 28, 2013 17:10:29

at this point, bob woodward is an executive branch cheerleader, no more, no less. CONGRESS APPROPRIATES MONEY. it's the damn law.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby pacino » Thu Feb 28, 2013 17:11:16

Antonin Scalia makes me ashamed to be human.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 28, 2013 21:25:43

pacino wrote:Antonin Scalia makes me ashamed to be human.

His superior intellect causes you feelings of inadequacy?

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