Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:53:56

z ipper wrote:why is it ok to label everyone as a racist?
bring jeff back. honestly.


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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:10:22

the Keystone Pipeline is expected to create 35 jobs.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 03, 2013 13:18:41

42,000 jobs to build it, son

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Sun Mar 03, 2013 14:35:17

what dont you like about the pipeline pac? how are trucks preferable?

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 03, 2013 15:01:59

dont believe i gave an opinion on this board regarding it as of yet. i would say that i see no reason for it to exist other than to exist and make money for Trans Canada and its owners. since they will apparently get the oil out one way or another, it seems like a white elephant endeavor.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 03, 2013 15:17:44

when did dennis rodman become ambassador to the prk
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Sun Mar 03, 2013 20:47:39

dajafi wrote:The argument that "we raised taxes two months ago" is incorrect and irrelevant.

We actually lowered taxes two months ago. I know it gets lost in the consideration of really important things like whether Bob Woodward's feelings were hurt, but what happened was that the budget-wrecking Bush tax cuts, which inexplicably somehow didn't lead to a permanent economic boom and in fact exploded the deficit, expired. By doing nothing, we would have returned to the Clinton-era tax levels (and either undercut the recovery or taken the debt off the table as a political issue).

Congress instead cut taxes for the vast majority of Americans--as even the Republicans stated at the time. Now of course they're saying it was an increase, because that supports holding the line to defend the private jet loophole and all absurd giveaways to the unfathomably rich they value over spending that actually helps the economy and makes a difference for those less comfortable.

The issue of who "owns" the sequester is another one of these DC media circle-jerks that would be hilarious if it weren't so horrifying. They all do, first of all, and second the real question is who has a sane answer for it. The administration is proposing a mixed solution. The Republicans want to take it all out of the hides of the poor. The press knows the president has the better argument, but can't allow itself to say so.

At every income point, I think one's tax rate is higher than it was 3 months ago. To argue that one's paycheck did not decrease is silly, in my opinion. I think it's more effective for Democrats to tie this into the greater argument, the journey toward a responsible budget trajectory: why the end of the payroll tax break is appropriate, and why sequestration is a worse way to attack the budget deficit than the end of this short-term break. It makes sense for Republicans to throw this Keynesianism back at them; if the Democrats think the economy is so fragile that it cannot handle a shrinkage of the federal government, then why could the economy handle the mix of tax increases and tax cut expirations 2 months ago?

And on the last point, why do you suppose the press allow itself to champion the Obama solution? It sounds kind of conspiracy theory-ish for you to say that... considering how the press holds the Republican house majority in relatively low regard.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Sun Mar 03, 2013 21:04:16

this made me lol

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Sun Mar 03, 2013 21:06:48

Werthless wrote:And on the last point, why do you suppose the press allow itself to champion the Obama solution? It sounds kind of conspiracy theory-ish for you to say that... considering how the press holds the Republican house majority in relatively low regard.


you're missing a "won't"

and the answer is one any bookie could provide you
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 03, 2013 21:44:06

slugsrbad wrote:this made me lol

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A cartoon mocking Scalia's opposition to the current VRA points to majority minority districts, which exist because of the VRA, as bad things

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Mar 04, 2013 04:24:08

who cares what's correct or the nuances of it all? It's about winning the message war, right? If Scalia didn't want to be a poster boy for racism, then maybe he should have acted like a judge and used some restraint instead of trying to lead like an executive and legislate like a member of congress. I can't tell if senility is making it hard for him to control himself (impulse control is one of the early things to go) or if these are the death throes of a man who is starting to realize that his vision for america will not happen in his lifetime and most likely ever. It must be hard for him to get used to the idea that the darkies are going to have so much voting power. He likes it better when only middle and upper class whites vote.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Mar 04, 2013 04:27:06

By the way, this stuff is particularly relevant over here right now. The swiss have just voted by referendum to limit top executive pay by allowing shareholders a say in their compensation. Direct democracy. Their legislature is now obliged to pass a law reflecting the voters' wishes.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Mar 04, 2013 06:10:11

Direct democracy is mostly awful

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Mon Mar 04, 2013 07:48:07

jerseyhoya wrote:A cartoon mocking Scalia's opposition to the current VRA points to majority minority districts, which exist because of the VRA, as bad things


you don't get the cartoon
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Mon Mar 04, 2013 07:49:33

jerseyhoya wrote:Direct democracy is mostly awful


antonin scalia is mostly awful
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Mar 04, 2013 07:57:54

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:A cartoon mocking Scalia's opposition to the current VRA points to majority minority districts, which exist because of the VRA, as bad things


you don't get the cartoon

It looks like the cartoonist is asserting there are a number of policies which unfairly target/negatively affect African Americans in these United States. Longer wait times in minority precincts, voter id laws when fewer minorities have IDs, majority minority districts keeping African Americans out of most districts, and stop and frisk/racial profiling by law enforcement.

How would you interpret the cartoon?

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Mon Mar 04, 2013 08:01:45

jerseyhoya wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:A cartoon mocking Scalia's opposition to the current VRA points to majority minority districts, which exist because of the VRA, as bad things


you don't get the cartoon

It looks like the cartoonist is asserting there are a number of policies which unfairly target/negatively affect African Americans in these United States. Longer wait times in minority precincts, voter id laws when fewer minorities have IDs, majority minority districts keeping African Americans out of most districts, and stop and frisk/racial profiling by law enforcement.

How would you interpret the cartoon?


antonin scalia is mostly awful

you're forever overthinking things


and your contemporary challenge with "direct democracy is mostly awful" is that the brief for restrained, reasoned, representative democracy has this mug on its cover:

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Mar 04, 2013 08:26:01

jerseyhoya wrote:Direct democracy is mostly awful


The way it works in california, I agree. I almost mentioned that fact. But when your citizens are educated on the issues and are willing to look to the greater good rather than always voting their own interests, it's actually pretty nice.

BTW, unions and ownership find a way to get along here. Strikes are very rare because both sides act reasonably. Also pretty nice.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Mar 04, 2013 09:36:09

Monkeyboy wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Direct democracy is mostly awful


The way it works in california, I agree. I almost mentioned that fact. But when your citizens are educated on the issues and are willing to look to the greater good rather than always voting their own interests, it's actually pretty nice.

BTW, unions and ownership find a way to get along here. Strikes are very rare because both sides act reasonably. Also pretty nice.


BUT WHO GETS TO YELL AND INCOHERENTLY TYPE THINGS IN ALL CAPITALS?!?
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:15:45

Monkeyboy wrote:But when your citizens are educated on the issues and are willing to look to the greater good rather than always voting their own interests, it's actually pretty nice.

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