Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Feb 21, 2013 13:19:01

Again, it's not all or nothing. But in the end, if the Republican message doesn't change, they won't do much better in 2016 than they did in 2012. There are things they could do--for instance, if I were a Republican strategist and I wanted to appeal to young voters, I'd ditch Ryan's Medicare reform, because his plan basically is all on the back of younger voters--they get to keep paying for benefits for those 55 and up, but will have to make do with a much less generous plan. The other thing I would do to appeal to young voters is shift the emphasis from tax cuts to reducing the deficit. Finally, while I don't think you can just go "we're pro-gay marriage too" the Republicans probably need to take the environment more seriously. Again, they can do so in ways that distinguish them from Dems, without completely dismissing the concerns of young voters.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Soren » Thu Feb 21, 2013 13:24:47

Phan In Phlorida wrote:
The guy that killed bin laden wrote:When we first started the war in Iraq, we were using Metallica music to soften people up before we interrogated them. Metallica got wind of this and they said, ‘Hey, please don’t use our music because we don’t want to promote violence.’ I thought, Dude, you have an album called ‘Kill ‘Em All.’


Kill Em All was part of their anti-capital punishment stance
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Feb 21, 2013 13:47:34

Soren wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:
The guy that killed bin laden wrote:When we first started the war in Iraq, we were using Metallica music to soften people up before we interrogated them. Metallica got wind of this and they said, ‘Hey, please don’t use our music because we don’t want to promote violence.’ I thought, Dude, you have an album called ‘Kill ‘Em All.’


Kill Em All was part of their anti-capital punishment stance

To be fair, that went right over the head of 90% of people who ever listened to a Metallica album (at least until the One video came out).

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Feb 21, 2013 14:06:35

jerseyhoya wrote::Head exploding gif:

Anyway, this was getting retweeted a lot last night - The wrong way to weed out spies. I just went through this (tangentially) with a friend of mine whose clearance was getting renewed. The interview I sat through with the government employee couldn't have been more useless. She was circling answers she expected to hear before I gave them.


But but but this is how our perfect free market private sector health care system does things so whaddayou sayin' commie, huh?
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Feb 21, 2013 22:04:23

get your list of the senate's gang of whang-dang-doodle here

In case you have zero interest in the document - and I DO understand - here's a flavor: Tom Coburn is the left-leaning liberalish guy in this dirty dozen-odd

So fucking cute how they capitalize Global War On Terror, as if capitalizing it reduced it to something well-defined and broadly agreed upon, and Something We Are All Uniformly And Identically Scared About. Like putting "quotes" around "random phrases", I've long found that stylistic tic is a fairly reliable indicator of Low Intelligence Quotient
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Feb 22, 2013 01:43:31

I'm up to three friends on Facebook who've shared that Chappelle/photoshopped Fox News asteroid picture

Might start telling them it's photoshopped soon

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Feb 22, 2013 03:28:42



We just reported yesterday on the new ad for marriage equality featuring conservative icons like Colin Powell, Dick Cheney and Laura Bush.

Well, if George’s old lady has her way, you won’t see her in the spot any more.

Representatives for the ex-First Lady reached out to the Respect for Marriage Coalition, the group which created the ad, and asked them to remove the clip of her telling Larry King in 2010 that gay couples “ought to have the same sort of rights that everyone else has.”

On Wednesday, the First Lady’s spokeswoman, Anne MacDonald, said Laura “did not approve” of the PSA and is not affiliated with the Respect for Marriage Coalition in any way. “When she became aware of the advertisement last night, we requested that the group remove her from it,” said MacDonald.

The commercial, which began airing on cable Wednesday, is part of a $1 million media buy that also includes full-page print ads in The New York Times and Wall Street Journal. The Coalition, which is affiliated with HRC, has not made a public statement about the request.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Feb 22, 2013 09:53:48

jerseyhoya wrote:I'm up to three friends on Facebook who've shared that Chappelle/photoshopped Fox News asteroid picture

Might start telling them it's photoshopped soon

Yeah, I saw it twice the other day. It's not even well done.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby philliesphhan » Mon Feb 25, 2013 13:21:40

Conservative radio is starting to become my favorite thing for amusing absurdity. Their hate of Barack at least is politically motivated but their hate of his wife is downright silly.

Getting kids to eat healthy? WHY CANT THEY BE FAT? MERICA

Showing up at the Oscars? WHY IS SHE THERE? LAURA BUSH WOULD HAVE SAID NO!
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Feb 25, 2013 13:26:21

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I'm up to three friends on Facebook who've shared that Chappelle/photoshopped Fox News asteroid picture

Might start telling them it's photoshopped soon

Yeah, I saw it twice the other day. It's not even well done.


Yea, the one's I've been seeing have the "America's Election Headquarters" decal. It's just lazily done.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Feb 25, 2013 15:09:17

philliesphhan wrote:Conservative radio is starting to become my favorite thing for amusing absurdity. Their hate of Barack at least is politically motivated but their hate of his wife is downright silly.

Getting kids to eat healthy? WHY CANT THEY BE FAT? MERICA

Showing up at the Oscars? WHY IS SHE THERE? LAURA BUSH WOULD HAVE SAID NO!


That's one of the craziest ones. How is it different from the President hosting a championship team or throwing out the first ball on opening day?
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 15:34:26

I don’t understand the Republican position on the sequester

As I understand it, the GOP has five basic goals in the budget talks:

1) Cut the deficit.

2) Cut entitlement spending.

3) Protect defense spending, and possibly even increase it.

4) Simplify the tax code by cleaning out deductions and loopholes.

5) Lower tax rates.

The White House is willing to cut a deal with Republicans that will accomplish 1, 2, 3 and 4. But Republicans don’t want that deal. They’d prefer the sequester to that deal. That means they will get less on 1, basically nothing 2, 4, and 5, and they will actively hurt themselves on 3. So, rather than accomplishing four of their five goals, they’re accomplishing part of one. Some trade.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 25, 2013 16:05:46

These are actual, real cuts, not promised ones in exchange for whatever the current Democratic priorities are. This sets a new baseline going forward. Also I don't think the party is unified at all on being opposed to defense spending cuts. Tax reform and entitlement reform can stay on the table, although the White House is all over the place on what they might accept, if anything, on the latter and the GOP isn't going to vote to raise taxes for a second time in two months.

I've been enjoying some of the articles freaking out about the sequester worrying that the effects won't be dramatic enough so the average person won't care or notice that anything changed.

Still, managers at many agencies have been bracing for the cuts, postponing purchases and new hires so they can protect employees and the public from the very disruptions to core services that would draw headlines.

“This is the Catch-22,” said Richard Kogan, a former Obama budget official now at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “The problem would be solved faster if it was literally a disaster. But making it a disaster is not what agency managers really want to do.”

Or maybe it's not that big of a problem.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Feb 25, 2013 16:11:13

How hard would it be for Obama to come up with 85 billion dollars of cuts and send them to Congress and say something like--you may not like these, but the alternatives are worse for everyone. But you know, it's up to you.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Werthless » Mon Feb 25, 2013 16:26:19

What is the official Democratic position on the sequester? Has there been a Senate proposal or budget that I missed?

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Feb 25, 2013 17:13:02

Werthless wrote:What is the official Democratic position on the sequester? Has there been a Senate proposal or budget that I missed?


I think it's "Let's sit back and watch the Republicans score another own goal."
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 17:43:15

philliesphhan wrote:Conservative radio is starting to become my favorite thing for amusing absurdity. Their hate of Barack at least is politically motivated but their hate of his wife is downright silly.

Getting kids to eat healthy? WHY CANT THEY BE FAT? MERICA

Showing up at the Oscars? WHY IS SHE THERE? LAURA BUSH WOULD HAVE SAID NO!


laura bush went in 2002
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Feb 25, 2013 17:52:50

td11 wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:Conservative radio is starting to become my favorite thing for amusing absurdity. Their hate of Barack at least is politically motivated but their hate of his wife is downright silly.

Getting kids to eat healthy? WHY CANT THEY BE FAT? MERICA

Showing up at the Oscars? WHY IS SHE THERE? LAURA BUSH WOULD HAVE SAID NO!


laura bush went in 2002



Yeh, but she didn't hog the stage and look all glamorous.

I don't know why Michelle can't be more like Saint Ronnie's wife and stay at home all day consulting with their astrologer about how to run the country.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Feb 25, 2013 17:59:12

TenuredVulture wrote:How hard would it be for Obama to come up with 85 billion dollars of cuts and send them to Congress and say something like--you may not like these, but the alternatives are worse for everyone. But you know, it's up to you.


I expected this to happen back in December, and would like to see it now. The only reasons i can think of that it hasn't are either a) cynically political-it's the Republicans that are making themselves look bad and losing favor with the public, so why help them out of this mess? or B) wearily strategic-any offer to produce cuts before the 11th hour will simply be a giveaway to no purpose, derided yet cemented in place, without inducing any movement on the revenue side. The whole thing is just depressing.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Feb 26, 2013 18:28:05

Hagen finally confirmed by the Senate

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