Desperately need a drink of politics thread


Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 20, 2013 16:29:48

Youseff wrote:is Rick "Obama [is an] anti-war, Government Nig-" Santorum really going to run again? lovely party the GOP has got there.

Of everything you could hit Santorum on you pick something made up

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Feb 20, 2013 16:49:37

jerseyhoya wrote:
Youseff wrote:is Rick "Obama [is an] anti-war, Government Nig-" Santorum really going to run again? lovely party the GOP has got there.

Of everything you could hit Santorum on you pick something made up

Seems sort of fitting though, doesn't it?

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 16:53:28

jerseyhoya wrote:
Youseff wrote:is Rick "Obama [is an] anti-war, Government Nig-" Santorum really going to run again? lovely party the GOP has got there.

Of everything you could hit Santorum on you pick something made up


nah

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:05:19

Generating fake outrage by seeing/hearing what you want rather than what happened

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:09:54

seems totally made up
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:12:28

jerseyhoya wrote:Generating fake outrage by seeing/hearing what you want rather than what happened


this is a dumb argument, but coming from the same guy who had the "blah people" comment, i'll go ahead and hold on to my "fake outrage"

and it's obviously not "made up." you just interpret it differently
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:34:04

I hear your version, but it sounds more like "governmentnik," which really doesn't make much sense but at least isn't racist.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby td11 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:35:17

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I hear your version, but it sounds more like "governmentnik," which really doesn't make much sense but at least isn't racist.


sure, that's fine. the sound bite/clip isn't "made up" though
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:36:50

Just out of curiosity, if he wasn't going to say the N word, what was he going to say? Maybe there's another way to interpret it, but I haven't seen any. I know jh says it was made up or misinterpreted, but what then is the correct interpretation?
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:48:40

Monkeyboy wrote:Just out of curiosity, if he wasn't going to say the N word, what was he going to say? Maybe there's another way to interpret it, but I haven't seen any. I know jh says it was made up or misinterpreted, but what then is the correct interpretation?

As I posted, it sounds like "governmentnik" to me... trying to make some type of communist smear against him, which is in line with the Tea Party nonsense.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:57:23

There's definitely a "g" sound on the end, not a "k" sound, at least to my ears. I listened about 5 times. There also seems to be too long of a pause for it to be part of the word government that comes before it. He also seemed to get a little flustered, which I don't think he would be if he was just using a tea party word.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:12:38

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Just out of curiosity, if he wasn't going to say the N word, what was he going to say? Maybe there's another way to interpret it, but I haven't seen any. I know jh says it was made up or misinterpreted, but what then is the correct interpretation?

As I posted, it sounds like "governmentnik" to me... trying to make some type of communist smear against him, which is in line with the Tea Party nonsense.


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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:20:01

Monkeyboy wrote:There's definitely a "g" sound on the end, not a "k" sound, at least to my ears. I listened about 5 times. There also seems to be too long of a pause for it to be part of the word government that comes before it. He also seemed to get a little flustered, which I don't think he would be if he was just using a tea party word.

As I said initially, I understand where that interpretation comes from, and it might be right. I just hear more of a "k" sound. He definitely stumbled over whatever he was trying to say, and I don't know why you'd assign an ulterior motive to that.



I said that it didn't make sense. I'm not sure what a Google trend would prove or disprove.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:24:54

Monkeyboy wrote:Just out of curiosity, if he wasn't going to say the N word, what was he going to say? Maybe there's another way to interpret it, but I haven't seen any. I know jh says it was made up or misinterpreted, but what then is the correct interpretation?

Any word (or in the case of nik, suffix) that begins with the letter N. He spoke off the cuff for the entire campaign, and changing directions in the middle of a thought was the rule not the exception. In the minute before the clip td posted, he randomly stops in the middle of another word (ethnicity) and accidentally says Ovama instead of Obama. In the minute afterwards he has a long pause before going into a digression about the defense budget (repeating the phrase "the defense budget" three times in the same sentence as he collects his thoughts), and stops himself halfway through saying 'which' to say 'that'. The average Santorum speech, in his zeal to prove himself the authentic anti-Romney and anti-Obama candidate, was a stuttering mess. Him saying something and stopping isn't evidence that he was about to say something offensive. Operating from that assumption and extrapolating his stutter to mean he was going to drop the N word seems tremendously off target to me.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:25:36

that people have never said the word "governmentnik," and as the link demonstrates, outside brief blip where people were trying to figure out/justify what he said it's never shown up on the web.
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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:27:11

jerseyhoya wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Just out of curiosity, if he wasn't going to say the N word, what was he going to say? Maybe there's another way to interpret it, but I haven't seen any. I know jh says it was made up or misinterpreted, but what then is the correct interpretation?

Any word (or in the case of nik, suffix) that begins with the letter N. He spoke off the cuff for the entire campaign, and changing directions in the middle of a thought was the rule not the exception. In the minute before the clip td posted, he randomly stops in the middle of another word (ethnicity) and accidentally says Ovama instead of Obama. In the minute afterwards he has a long pause before going into a digression about the defense budget (repeating the phrase "the defense budget" three times in the same sentence as he collects his thoughts), and stops himself halfway through saying 'which' to say 'that'. The average Santorum speech, in his zeal to prove himself the authentic anti-Romney and anti-Obama candidate, was a stuttering mess. Him saying something and stopping isn't evidence that he was about to say something offensive. Operating from that assumption and extrapolating his stutter to mean he was going to drop the N word seems tremendously off target to me.


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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:29:19

Youseff wrote:that people have never said the word "governmentnik," and as the link demonstrates, outside brief blip where people were trying to figure out/justify what he said it's never shown up on the web.

No, it indicates that it never trended on Google, not that an idiot politician trying to cast aspersions on the sitting President wouldn't throw an insult out there. No one had ever heard of "macaca" before George Allen said it either.

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Re: Desperately need a drink of politics thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:32:08

Google's about one of the fairest places you could go to get a read on the English language. Macaca existed, governmentnik never did outside of the context of Santorum.

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