The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Nov 07, 2012 16:46:27

thephan wrote:Christie, with some sort of international diplomacy credentials (perhaps he has these via the ports) could be a very viable candidate for either party. His CV is that he is passionate and when there is work to do, he gets to work. People over party to swipe Brown's good, but unoriginal, tag line. The question is what happens with the Tea Party Horror show over the next 2/4 years.

If he has prez aspirations, he'd probably need to switch parties to have a shot. He wouldn't win the GOP primaries. He's too "Northeastern".
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby phdave » Wed Nov 07, 2012 16:55:07

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby phdave » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:00:32

If the most successful business executive to ever run for president can't get elected with 23 million people out of work and an 8 percent unemployment rate, than it's over. No incumbent President in history has won reelection under those conditions. Mitt Romney didn't just lose an election, America lost its foundation.

This is the new America. And it will slowly start to become something foreign to many of us. Kindly check your individualism and creativity at the door. Wealth creators need not apply or we will confiscate it. For every dollar you create you will redistribute to others who did not earn it. If you complain we will have the United Nations seize your firearms and you will be eliminated.

Does this sound far fetched? Do you not think this scenario couldn't unfold here in America in the next 15 to 20 years?

Tonight is the official beginning of the end of the Republic. The America we all thought we knew and love has become a figment of our imagination. Like a dream that is so amazing and spiritual that you just knew it had to be real. Only to wake up and realize it was just a dream from a long time ago.

Some reading this might think I’m just angry or sullen because of the President's reelection.The fact of the matter is it’s more than just sadness. Mitt Romney didn’t lose tonight, America did. Every entrepreneur, businessman, and risk taker was just reminded that creativity and individual success is no longer celebrated and eventually might not even be tolerated. You see, this election was not just about winning an election; it was about preserving the core foundation in which the country was founded upon. And we blew it.


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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:02:42

Do you not think this scenario couldn't unfold here in America in the next 15 to 20 years?

I love this line

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Bucky » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:03:36

the sad thing is these were probably all written four years ago

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Grotewold » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:08:15

Yeah if I were rich and my taxes went from 35 percent to 39 I'd probably just pack it in

Capital gains going up 5%? Under the mattress we go!

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby phdave » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:12:34

@ABFalecbaldwin: You know your party's in trouble when you read this: A: The rape guy lost. B: Which one?
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby BDawk » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:20:31

I love that instead of learning a lesson from the election so many are just doubling down on the exclusion and bigotry. All day this so the type of crap I've heard--we're now a nation of takers and other such unclever idiocy.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby allentown » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:22:01

Bucky wrote:the sad thing is these were probably all written four years ago

Despite the whining, Americans still support most of that. America loves guys with big new ideas who found successful companies whose stock makes people prosper and whose companies provide thousands of new jobs. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are still heroes. The whining seems to be loudest from the corrupt financial manipulators who have not so much created as cheated and stolen and then growled that they weren't being appreciated and rewarded as the average taxpayer bailed out their mess. Also, there is this new paranoia of the wealthy that being asked to pay the tax rates that existed under Clinton, late Reagan years, and are far lower than those in the days of Ike is somehow being discriminated against and hated. But even with al of that, these guys would still have the support of those whom they seem to revile, had they not chosen to tie their political fate to the social troglodytes who want to ram totally unappealing social views down our throats. You want to support the present-day version of the prohibitionists and the loudest bible thumpers, then you are going to lose a lot of support. Especially when we the people are well aware of your hedonistic lifestyle and the hypocritical political alliance you have made to reduce your taxes by a few percent.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby BDawk » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:22:48

Oh yeah, I forgot the blaming Christie schtick. That's a big one also.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby allentown » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:26:02

BDawk wrote:I love that instead of learning a lesson from the election so many are just doubling down on the exclusion and bigotry. All day this so the type of crap I've heard--we're now a nation of takers and other such unclever idiocy.

In their angst they are throwing aside the curtain and not really pretending that much of their opposition to Obama was anything more than bigoted revulsion at having a black man in the White House. Over the month the right has doubled down on racism. Now they wonder why socially conservative Hispanics opposed them in droves. Republicans voluntarily became the party of the segregated deep south.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:28:20

On a completely impressionistic level, it does seem that there's a lot of nastiness and anger from the right--not just today, but really for awhile. I know that many who disliked Bush were less than civil, but it doesn't seem like the level of vitriol reached the level it's at now. Furthermore, I think the Republicans seem quite willing to put these nasty folks out there as standard bearers of their message. I encountered a Republican party volunteer who was extremely confrontational a year ago. If I ran the party, I'd make sure people like that were in the back room licking envelopes or something like that.

The other delusion I'm hearing right now is some of the secessionist crap again. I mean to people really how shitty typical red states are? There seems to be a real celebration of ignorance, sloth, and sub-par public facilities. Like these people really would rather live in a shit hole like Tyler Texas or Jackson MS than Portland or something.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:30:06

I haven't really seen much/any racism. they just believe all that dumb socialism stuff

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Youseff » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:34:20

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I haven't really seen much/any racism. they just believe all that dumb socialism stuff


Newt calling Obama an "anti-colonialist" and intending it to be an insult.

O'Reilly bemoaning that 50% of the country just wants "stuff" and then naming Blacks and Hispanics a moment later.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:35:04

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:36:41

loving the reaction. the electorate is now changed. obama didnt even get crushed in the male vote. cleaned up with women. seriously really looking forward to what will happen with all this, hopeful for compromise. when karl rove gets shell shocked you know you won big.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:38:09

Youseff wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:I haven't really seen much/any racism. they just believe all that dumb socialism stuff


Newt calling Obama an "anti-colonialist" and intending it to be an insult.

O'Reilly bemoaning that 50% of the country just wants "stuff" and then naming Blacks and Hispanics a moment later.

I mean when I read something like the Death of a Dream stuff like phdave posted upthread

I don't really read racism into that, I think a lot of people just have totally distorted ideas about Obama's economic policies and "obamacare" and what socialism is and how stuff really is not that different at all

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby BDawk » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:40:07

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I haven't really seen much/any racism. they just believe all that dumb socialism stuff

Pretty much all the calls on the radio today and opinion pieces have it. They try to veil it but its pretty obvious what they're getting at--"we're now a country of takers" "a nation looking for handouts" etc.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Nov 07, 2012 17:41:24

I guess. it would be pretty hard for the Republicans to have a campaign free of anything that could be construed as racist

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