allen west refusing to concede, despite having lost.

a fake tough man to the very end.

Barack Obama ‏@BarackObama
Four more years.


Awesome.

pacino wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:

pacino wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:Can I get some Asian pals to explain to me the Obama love? This interests me.

immigration is a big reason, also the tendency for asians to live in urban areas, where democrats are strongest. this leads politically minded people to start out in that party, and then stick with it.

Not a lot of Asian fundies either.

linsanity?

my co-worker too!

The Dude wrote:

pacino wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:

pacino wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:Can I get some Asian pals to explain to me the Obama love? This interests me.

immigration is a big reason, also the tendency for asians to live in urban areas, where democrats are strongest. this leads politically minded people to start out in that party, and then stick with it.

Not a lot of Asian fundies either.

linsanity?

my co-worker too!

me too

i think TV underestimates it

Rove was saying on Fox last night that the Republicans have to do better with Latinos and they are a natural group that should vote Republican because they like their families and believe in Jesus or something.

Good luck with that. I think many Republicans absolutely hate the idea of Latinos living in the US. Also, for Latinos who are poor, what do Republicans offer them? Religious affiliation or something? The Republican party would have to change a lot for it to be appealing to most Latinos.

oh no, he was right, the buddhists are taking over!!!

Mazie Hirono is a buddhist (D)
Tammy Baldwin is a lesbian (D)
Elizabeth Warren is an academic (D)

a trifecta of a republican nightmare


11 women elected to the senate last night, 10 were democratic

allentown wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I haven't really seen much/any racism. they just believe all that dumb socialism stuff

The sort of meanness that we've seen all along, such as the lack of decorum from the guy yelling 'you lie' during the State of the Union and the branding of Obama's tepid, moderate-Republican policies as socialist come from Republican politicians who know that their base doesn't see any problem at all with showing disrespect to any black president and feels any lie is appropriate. This whole birther conspiracy thing is really 'did you forget this guy's black'. The opposition to 'takers' and safety nets is code for "I don't want any of my tax $ supporting blacks. We have all of this made up crap about Obama sending $ to urban minority slackers, when the trail of federal revenue distribution flows from the industrial northeast, midwest, and California to the red states of the Republican south. We've moved from dog whistle alerts to fire engine sirens. The Republican base is terrified of the demographic change in America.

They behavior toward Clinton was pretty appalling too. This has been going on for a long time.

pacino wrote:oh no, he was right, the buddhists are taking over!!!

Mazie Hirono is a buddhist (D)
Tammy Baldwin is a lesbian (D)
Elizabeth Warren is an academic (D)

a trifecta of a republican nightmare


11 women elected to the senate last night, 10 were democratic

That is purposeful. Dems recruited women to run.

I'm almost as happy about how dumb so many pundits look as I am about Obama's victory. JH should take heart--all those years of studying political science methods will pay off. I mean, maybe not with actual money, but you'll be able to spend every election night with that smug feeling of superiority regardless of outcome.

George Will probably still thinks the Cards shouldn't have let Pujols go.

And this made me laugh

Further update: Peggy Noonan calls the election for Romney because "all the vibrations are right." Seriously. I wish she'd be more transparent about the frequency and amplitude data.

http://mischiefsoffaction.blogspot.com/ ... mbers.html

Speaking of JH, missing you.

CalvinBall wrote:Speaking of JH, missing you.

Found out I got power back at my apartment last night so I left my folks' place where I've been living on the couch for the last week and a half and been taking care of chores all day. Taught this morning, then cleaned out the fridge and went out and restocked, etc.

The Senate losses (ND and MT specifically) are somehow more depressing and surprising than the presidential election, which was close enough. The GOP needs to work harder to appeal to minority voters and young people and all that, but we couldn't even win races in Republican states where we had decent candidates. All the national polls shifting toward Obama in the last week gave me time to brace for that, but losing Senate seats when they had 23 up and the GOP was only defending 10 is beyond inexcusable. Goes beyond the retarded Akins and Mourdocks too. Democrats seem to have a better turnout operation up and down the ballot, and they're better at picking candidates to appeal to red state voters than we are with blue state voters (Scott Brown, a rare exception, couldn't hold on). Going to be a long road back in the Senate.

The next couple of weeks are going to be full of finger pointing and annoying op-eds telling the Republican Party what it needs to do to remain relevant, but Romney got 48% of the vote, and the House majority is still strong. I dunno, it doesn't seem like a complete overhaul is needed (or possible). Retool the message a bit on a few issues where you're losing voters (most notably immigration), hand out a tipsheet to everyone who wins a GOP primary for state or federal office telling them not to talk about abortion and rape in a creepy way in the same sentence, etc. But the biggest key for 2016 will be having a deeper field of candidates so we can get a better candidate. I really did grow to like Romney a lot over the course of the campaign, and I'm sure he'll be unfairly maligned for losing much like Kerry, but he was too easily caricatured as being everything people don't like about the GOP. He was by far the best option in a bad bunch, but next time there should be 4-6 candidates who would run better general election campaigns than Romney was able to. The demographic challenges are real and important, but Romney lost by about the same margin as Kerry in 2004. I think there might end up being a bit too much overreaction.

jerseyhoya wrote: Going to be a long road back in the Senate.

Lots can happen in two years, but as I noted in an earlier post, I think there's a decent chance Reps tie up the Senate in 2014. If Ginsburg wants to leave the court, she best do it soon.

I would guess Hillary is going to be the most obvious choice for the Dems. She is already resigning as SoS so I guess she will use the next 4 years to rest up, recharge, and plan her campaign.

What about the Republicans? I don't know how the whole Romney-Christie tiff will affect things there but as a Dem I actually like Christie. Have to think that Rubio is the number one choice right now. Jindal? Jeb BUSH?!

TenuredVulture wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote: Going to be a long road back in the Senate.

Lots can happen in two years, but as I noted in an earlier post, I think there's a decent chance Reps tie up the Senate in 2014. If Ginsburg wants to leave the court, she best do it soon.

It is a favorable map, but I don't think it's any more favorable than this year's should have been. And we managed to lose two seats. Gah.

On the bright side, it's going to take one hell of a wave for the GOP to lose the house.

drsmooth wrote:

cshort wrote:

pacino wrote:our effective corp rate is, what, 13%? the top 10 companies paid 9%. Seems negligible at best.

There are some very large companies actively moving their IP out of the US for that negligible amount

{Sigh} name names, mr. black ops

I know because it's my business to know, so I'd rather not name names. Go onto Edgar and look at some 10k's. They're so easy to find, even you could figure it out. And if you're a little slow with the math, a 1% move in the tax rate for a company with $5 billion in pre-tax income is $50 million, which pays for quite a few accountants and lawyers. That's plenty of reason to move taxable income overseas. So keep sighing douche.

cshort wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

cshort wrote:

pacino wrote:our effective corp rate is, what, 13%? the top 10 companies paid 9%. Seems negligible at best.

There are some very large companies actively moving their IP out of the US for that negligible amount

{Sigh} name names, mr. black ops

I know because it's my business to know, so I'd rather not name names. Go onto Edgar and look at some 10k's. They're so easy to find, even you could figure it out. And if you're a little slow with the math, a 1% move in the tax rate for a company with $5 billion in pre-tax income is $50 million, which pays for quite a few accountants and lawyers. That's plenty of reason to move taxable income overseas. So keep sighing douche.

Oh ffs

jerseyhoya wrote:I dunno, it doesn't seem like a complete overhaul is needed (or possible). Retool the message a bit on a few issues where you're losing voters (most notably immigration), hand out a tipsheet to everyone who wins a GOP primary for state or federal office telling them not to talk about abortion and rape in a creepy way in the same sentence, etc. But the biggest key for 2016 will be having a deeper field of candidates so we can get a better candidate. I really did grow to like Romney a lot over the course of the campaign....

uhhh.... yer gonna need more than a tune-up here, sparky


Give it a couple of weeks. You're too close to it right now. I say this because I feel like practically every word you've written here is...not something you'd say on genuine reflection, because your observations are lucid and insightful practically all the time. Just not today.

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I dunno, it doesn't seem like a complete overhaul is needed (or possible). Retool the message a bit on a few issues where you're losing voters (most notably immigration), hand out a tipsheet to everyone who wins a GOP primary for state or federal office telling them not to talk about abortion and rape in a creepy way in the same sentence, etc. But the biggest key for 2016 will be having a deeper field of candidates so we can get a better candidate. I really did grow to like Romney a lot over the course of the campaign....

uhhh.... yer gonna need more than a tune-up here, sparky

Give it a couple of weeks. You're too close to it right now. I say this because I feel like practically every word you've written here is...not something you'd say on genuine reflection, because your observations are lucid and insightful practically all the time. Just not today.

What did Democrats change between 2004 and 2008 to run 9.6% better?