The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby drsmooth » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:09:14

Surprised no R's are calling for Wretch Preibus's reptilian head on a pike
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:09:56

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jerseyhoya wrote:Long been predisposed to dislike Chris Matthews because he went to LaSalle, but I would hit him in the face with a baseball bat without any qualms at all. What a #$!&@ cap on an embarrassing 5 year run for him.


he's an entertainer

meanwhile felonious sociopaths like rick scott GOVERN AMERICAN STATES

but they're fine; they're on your team


One is elected by his people, and the other is an ass hat who long ago went off the deep end. I cannot stand Gov. Scott, his actions are downright reprehensible, but he's an easier pill to swallow due to being elected. "Entertainers" like Matthews and Limbaugh are the true threats since they speak to the malleable masses.

i think that's completely false. Scott is a crook who is currently running a state. Matthews and Limbaugh (false equivalence) say stuff into mics.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Roger Dorn » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:15:33

"The conduct of the republican party in this nomination is a remarkable indication of small intellect, growing smaller. They pass over...statesmen and able men, and they take up a fourth rate lecturer, who cannot speak good grammar." -New York Herald (May 19, 1860) commenting on Abraham Lincolns nomination at Republican Convention

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:19:26

It is hard to believe how far we have fallen and it is not without design. We have become a nation of takers not producers. Our schools teach entitlement not patriotism. We have not held our elected officials to the standards that our founders set.They have not secured the wealth and liberty of the populace, but instead stole the the labor of the productive to feed those less deserving. Under this current President those receiving welfare payments rose 32% and those receiving food stamps is up 70%. They were purchased by the President, with our money, for political gain. He then purchased the union vote with our money. I believe we crossed over the tipping point where we are now only a few short years from becoming Greece. The loss of economic freedom is now threatening the very foundations of our once great nation. Those of us that have been sounding the alarm for the last 20 years have been soundly rejected by the lesser educated masses whose only goal now appears to be the destruction of the rule of law and the nation. God save the USA. This is our last hope.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:20:29

pacino wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Long been predisposed to dislike Chris Matthews because he went to LaSalle, but I would hit him in the face with a baseball bat without any qualms at all. What a #$!&@ cap on an embarrassing 5 year run for him.


he's an entertainer

meanwhile felonious sociopaths like rick scott GOVERN AMERICAN STATES

but they're fine; they're on your team


One is elected by his people, and the other is an ass hat who long ago went off the deep end. I cannot stand Gov. Scott, his actions are downright reprehensible, but he's an easier pill to swallow due to being elected. "Entertainers" like Matthews and Limbaugh are the true threats since they speak to the malleable masses.

i think that's completely false. Scott is a crook who is currently running a state. Matthews and Limbaugh (false equivalence) say stuff into mics.


One has the modicum of checks and balances and one does not. I still think the entertainment folk can do more harm with their words than the actions of a publicly elected official. I'm not saying either are right though.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:31:43

matt yglesias is my hero:

A salient fact about non-metaphorical cliffs is that falling over them is generally irreversible. If the cliff is high enough that falling off of it would kill you, then if you fall off you're going to die and that's the end of it. The "fiscal cliff" by contrast isn't like that at all.
Rather, it's a set of policy changes—mostly tax hikes plus some steep spending cuts—that if they were all locked into place would constitute a significant drag on economic growth over the course of a year. But if the Bush tax cuts fully expire on a Tuesday morning it's not as if some catastrophe strikes on Wednesday where suddenly middle class families have no money. It's true that if the new higher rates were to be locked in, then the medium-term drag on middle class take home pay would delay the deleveraging cycle and damage the recovery. But to resolve that, all you need to do is introduce a new package of middle class tax cuts on Wednesday afternoon, have congress pass it on Thursday, and then the president signs it on Friday. The fact that taxes were higher for three days—or even three weeks—is simply not that consequential.

Obviously to the extent that higher middle class taxes is bad, one day of them is worse than zero days and three days is worse than one day. But it's a deeply banal situation. There's no particularly large virtue to "averting" the fiscal cliff on Day N-3 versus "going over the fiscal cliff" and then fixing it in retrospect on Day N+3. If "going over the cliff" gives the White House leverage to lock a better medium-term fiscal policy in place, then going over the cliff is a no brainer. Because there is no cliff.


plus, let's say something is passed in March...it can be retroactive
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Werthless » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:40:58

dajafi wrote:Basically you should get Werthless installed as head of the RNC.

Affirmative action for minority libertarians? Unfortunately, I'm against most forms of affirmative action.

On a related note:
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Trent Steele » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:43:33

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 08, 2012 09:57:21

With neither side backing down, senior producers had to find a way to split the difference. One idea was for two members of the decision team, Mishkin and Fox’s digital politics editor Chris Stirewalt, to go on camera with Megyn Kelly and Bret Baier to squelch the doubts over the call. But then it was decided that Kelly would walk through the office and interview the decision team in the conference room. “This is Fox News,” an insider said, “so anytime there’s a chance to show off Megyn Kelly’s legs they’ll go for it.” The decision desk were given a three-minute warning that Kelly would be showing up.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:03:15

A Tennessee Republican congressman won re-election on Tuesday overcoming revelations that he once had an affair with a patient and urged her to get an abortion.
Rep. Scott DesJarlais, a Jasper physician before going to Congress, beat Democratic challenger Eric Stewart on Tuesday. With 76 percent of precincts reporting, DesJarlais had 111,988 votes, or 57 percent, compared with Stewart's 83,835 votes, or 43 percent.
DesJarlais, who opposes abortion rights, largely withdrew from public sight a month ago after news accounts based on his 2001 divorce emerged. His campaign used a heavy rotation of TV ads to link Stewart to President Barack Obama, an unpopular figure in the conservative 4th District.
It's the second time DesJarlais has overcome explosive allegations stemming from his divorce. During his first campaign in 2010, the Democratic incumbent ran ads based on court records that said DesJarlais repeatedly pulled the trigger of an unloaded gun outside his first wife's bedroom door and another time held a gun in his mouth for three hours


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/D ... z2BdjCEVsq
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:12:36

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But a precinct-by-precinct breakdown of the county vote shows that Obama carried Reading by a huge 13,508-vote margin. In city precincts, especially in the heavily Latino neighborhoods downtown, it was not unusual for Obama to capture more than 80 percent of the votes cast.

However, the votes were closer in outlying city precincts, such as the Wyomissing Park and Hampden Heights sections, which are more suburbanlike and where Romney picked up as much as a third of the votes.

Still, the Republican candidate didn't win one of the city's 44 precincts.

Outside the city, it was a different story, with Romney taking all but a few of the remaining 155 suburban and rural precincts, which helped the GOP congressional incumbents and state House candidates.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Bucky » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:14:58

i'm guessing that closely mimics what a population density map would look like too

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:16:27




he's really cherry picking when it comes to the libertarian view on social freedoms as to which side is "better" (citing lefty justices that went against medical marijuana), the dems have a much better track record in gay rights, supporting the aclu, fairer sentences for drug crimes (which isn't decriminalization, but a better position than republicans), and keeping the religious right out of their policy making and public school decisions. The republicans do have the NRA however.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:17:07

almost perfectly, actually
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby jamiethekiller » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:20:35

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

steady looking for jerseyhoya ala a wheres waldo book

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby dajafi » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:21:35

Werthless wrote:
dajafi wrote:Basically you should get Werthless installed as head of the RNC.

Affirmative action for minority libertarians? Unfortunately, I'm against most forms of affirmative action.

On a related note:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 26670.html

Libertarian activists need to set aside their decades-old knee-jerk reactions to the two major parties, roll up their sleeves, and make the Republican and Democratic parties more libertarian. When it comes to voting, libertarians need to get serious about liberty and give up on the Libertarian Party.


I'm not generally in the habit of agreeing with the WSJ, but I think what they/I suggest would be good for both groups. Somebody has to fight Mike Pence and Michele Bachmann and Steve King.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:26:49

jerseyhoya wrote:Long been predisposed to dislike Chris Matthews because he went to LaSalle, but I would hit him in the face with a baseball bat without any qualms at all. What a fucking cap on an embarrassing 5 year run for him.

Deez nuts jersey, Deez nuts.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:29:00

jamiethekiller wrote:http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

steady looking for jerseyhoya ala a wheres waldo book


remember how people cried with happiness at the 08 acceptance speech and it became a hilarious joke for republicans to use over the next four years? dont dare make fun of them for this though.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby The Dude » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:29:14

The Nightman Cometh wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Long been predisposed to dislike Chris Matthews because he went to LaSalle, but I would hit him in the face with a baseball bat without any qualms at all. What a fucking cap on an embarrassing 5 year run for him.

Deez nuts jersey, Deez nuts.


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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby td11 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:36:11

jamiethekiller wrote:http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

steady looking for jerseyhoya ala a wheres waldo book


lol
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