The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Nov 07, 2012 13:46:13

I believe that secretly, the folks at Fox News and Rush and the others are ecstatic with yesterday's results. Really, things could not have turned out better for them--the enraged delusional right is going to be clinging to Fox News in order to avoid the reality of yesterday's results. Honestly, I would not be surprised if pulling the Republicans to the right and subsequently losing elections isn't part of the business model for those guys.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby td11 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 13:47:53

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby allentown » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:05:38

Houshphandzadeh wrote:my soon to be uncle has been saying for like two years that his biotech company will have to move to Europe if Obama wins. curious to see if he sticks with that

What? I thought the economic right's problem with Obama was that he wants to make the US 'more like Europe'. Is your uncle a closet socialist who doesn't think Obama is willing to go that far?
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Rev_Beezer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:19:22

I'm going to say my part and let you guys rip me a new one-

Mitt was going to lose from day one. He, like John Kerry, had the character of a doorknob, and nobody could actually get excited about him. The campaign wasn't so much about what Mitt would do rather than why Obama was a threat to the "vision of the founders", or "true America", or whatever else you want to call it.

If the Republicans can get their stuff together and realize that they can't win with a guy who is propped up to spout off either A.) what the base thinks or B.) anything to get elected, they could become a formidable entity. A guy like Christie could probably go if only the Republican base was willing to make some concessions. In other words, I think the far left understands that they do not represent the views of their "side" more than the far right does.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Rev_Beezer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:20:37

Also: Republicans should have seen this one coming a mile away. They are like me when I was ten and thought Steve Lake was a good player just because he was on the Phillies.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:24:58

See, Dick Morris seems to be giving some hard truths to Republicans on their cheerleading channel here:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/195284414300 ... 3226511001
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Grotewold » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:25:47

Rev_Beezer wrote:I was ten and thought Steve Lake was a good player just because he was on the Phillies.


My campmates booed that guy at Phillies Week

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:25:47

Rev_Beezer wrote:I'm going to say my part and let you guys rip me a new one-

Mitt was going to lose from day one. He, like John Kerry, had the character of a doorknob, and nobody could actually get excited about him. The campaign wasn't so much about what Mitt would do rather than why Obama was a threat to the "vision of the founders", or "true America", or whatever else you want to call it.

If the Republicans can get their stuff together and realize that they can't win with a guy who is propped up to spout off either A.) what the base thinks or B.) anything to get elected, they could become a formidable entity. A guy like Christie could probably go if only the Republican base was willing to make some concessions. In other words, I think the far left understands that they do not represent the views of their "side" more than the far right does.


The only "new one" you're going to get "ripped" is from all the high fives! I, and I believe most here, agree with you.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:27:10

Did anyone catch Chris Matthews' meltdown last night after Obama's speech? It was embarrassing.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Trent Steele » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:31:13

slugsrbad wrote:
Rev_Beezer wrote:I'm going to say my part and let you guys rip me a new one-

Mitt was going to lose from day one. He, like John Kerry, had the character of a doorknob, and nobody could actually get excited about him. The campaign wasn't so much about what Mitt would do rather than why Obama was a threat to the "vision of the founders", or "true America", or whatever else you want to call it.

If the Republicans can get their stuff together and realize that they can't win with a guy who is propped up to spout off either A.) what the base thinks or B.) anything to get elected, they could become a formidable entity. A guy like Christie could probably go if only the Republican base was willing to make some concessions. In other words, I think the far left understands that they do not represent the views of their "side" more than the far right does.


The only "new one" you're going to get "ripped" is from all the high fives! I, and I believe most here, agree with you.


Rs are in trouble at a national level unless they change. Can't win as the angry white man. Not enough whites and shrinking. Obama took over 70% of Latino and Asian votes last night. Those demographics are only getting larger.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby stevemc » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:34:44

Doll Is Mine wrote:Did anyone catch Chris Matthews' meltdown last night after Obama's speech? It was embarrassing.



Thanks for bringing this up as I just watched it. "I'm so glad we had that storm last week." I know what he was trying to say but for the love of pete, that's awful. What an asshole.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:38:00

stevemc wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:Did anyone catch Chris Matthews' meltdown last night after Obama's speech? It was embarrassing.



Thanks for bringing this up as I just watched it. "I'm so glad we had that storm last week." I know what he was trying to say but for the love of pete, that's awful. What an asshole.


:lol:

By that point, he was out of it. He was obviously just rambling on but it was really awkward.

Rachel Maddow, who sat next to him, literally cut him off after he made the storm comment and quickly closed out the show.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Soren » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:44:28

NOM is pretty butt hurt over getting swept:
"Obviously we are very disappointed in losing four tough election battles by narrow margins. We knew long ago that we faced a difficult political landscape with the four marriage battles occurring in four of the deepest-blue states in America. As our opponents built a huge financial advantage, the odds became even steeper. We ran strong campaigns and nearly prevailed in a very difficult environment, significantly out-performing the GOP ticket in every state.

Despite the fact that NOM was able to contribute a record amount to the campaigns (over $5.5 million), we were still heavily outspent, by a margin of at least four-to-one. We were fighting the entirety of the political establishment in most of the states, including sitting governors in three of the states who campaigned heavily for gay marriage. Our opponents and some in the media will attempt to portray the election results as a changing point in how Americans view gay marriage, but that is not the case. Americans remain strongly in favor of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The election results reflect the political and funding advantages our opponents enjoyed in these very liberal states.

Though we are disappointed over these losses, we remain faithful to our mission and committed to the cause of preserving marriage as God designed it. Marriage is a true and just cause, and we will never abandon the field of battle just because we experienced a setback. There is much work to do, and we begin that process now."


1)Minnesota ain't that blue
2) I find the part about being outspent hard to believe. Can't find raw data though.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:44:57

mozartpc27 wrote:See, Dick Morris seems to be giving some hard truths to Republicans on their cheerleading channel here:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/195284414300 ... 3226511001

Kilmeade looked sick to his stomach

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby td11 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:48:17

Doll Is Mine wrote:
stevemc wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:Did anyone catch Chris Matthews' meltdown last night after Obama's speech? It was embarrassing.



Thanks for bringing this up as I just watched it. "I'm so glad we had that storm last week." I know what he was trying to say but for the love of pete, that's awful. What an asshole.


:lol:

By that point, he was out of it. He was obviously just rambling on but it was really awkward.

Rachel Maddow, who sat next to him, literally cut him off after he made the storm comment and quickly closed out the show.


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i generally don't mind matthews, but yeah he was really dumb last night after the president's speech
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby joe table » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:49:11

Ok now that this is over and we can get by all the tiring election discourse, I kinda want to talk about this fiscal cliff stuff. It honestly scares the shit out of me. I'll be starting a job in not too long in an industry that was already ravaged by the last recession, and another slowdown could really fuck me over. Does anyone have a good handle on 1) what spending cuts Obama is likely to pursue. Talking exclusive of expiring Bush tax cuts here. Found this but I'm curious to see whether more knowledgable people think this is dated/unrealistic/inaccurate. The lack of detail of SS and Medicare leads me to the second question, 2) what could and would Obama plausibly do about these programs, given his platform/ideology

Also I'm trying to put aside to potential effects of House/Senate obstruction issues for now. Just trying to get a good handle on what the plan will be.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby dajafi » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:50:11

TenuredVulture wrote:I believe that secretly, the folks at Fox News and Rush and the others are ecstatic with yesterday's results. Really, things could not have turned out better for them--the enraged delusional right is going to be clinging to Fox News in order to avoid the reality of yesterday's results. Honestly, I would not be surprised if pulling the Republicans to the right and subsequently losing elections isn't part of the business model for those guys.


I said in the last thread (which I evidently kept unlocking by posting from my phone) that I think Fox now has a tension between what's good for its ratings--the total massive-resistance, ever-further to the Right approach of the Tea Party crowd--and what's good for the party it supports. I'm sure that Roger Ailes the Republican strategist is more in line with the "reform" group; remember that Fox was so pro-Mitt during the primaries that Gingrich and Santorum (former employees...) complained about it. But how he convinces his own base/viewership is the part I can't see.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:53:47

td11 wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
stevemc wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:Did anyone catch Chris Matthews' meltdown last night after Obama's speech? It was embarrassing.



Thanks for bringing this up as I just watched it. "I'm so glad we had that storm last week." I know what he was trying to say but for the love of pete, that's awful. What an asshole.


:lol:

By that point, he was out of it. He was obviously just rambling on but it was really awkward.

Rachel Maddow, who sat next to him, literally cut him off after he made the storm comment and quickly closed out the show.


type 2 diabetes was acting up

i generally don't mind matthews, but yeah he was really dumb last night after the president's speech


I think Matthews means well. I generally agree with him on many things but last night was embarrassing. The littlest thing set him off - Obama not mentioning Bill Clinton in his speech - and it went downhill from there.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:56:10

The bobble heads are going with the 'I told you so' WRT the market dumping. It Obama!

No, it is available news cycles to hear how screw Eurpoe is. There are some in Spain who want to split into three (Catalonia, Basq & leftovers). The left overs basically live off of Catalonia. That is the next burp in the solvency and cohesiveness of the union. Europe is teetering on another desperate recession and the market is reading yellowed copies of the WSJ.

The cliff is a real delemia that needs to be dealt with this is the first, no immediate, test for the administration AND the spirit of cooperation. POTUS better put on some public ass kicking boots and get something done for the people. Transparency of a well constructed plan is the key. If there is no cross isle cooperation, then we are doomed.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby td11 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:58:37

@mattklewis: GOP strategist Chuck Warren emails: "To be frank, we're a Mad Men party in a Modern Family world."
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