Werthless wrote:If you define a person's position (Instead of the federal government, states should decide who can do _______) as bigotry requires a large leap. Classifying your political opponents as bigots/assholes/jerks is exactly the definition of bigotry, which amused me. Again, I'm pro gay marriage, but not every person that opposes me is a bigot. And nothing about Ryan's statement suggested hatred or animosity. Understand?

But what about intolerance?

Werthless wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:That's because you're straight and can get married. Go try marrying a dude in your city and see what happens. The sort of looks you'll get will tell you all you need to know.

People think they're OK with gays but the sight of two men holding hands in public still provokes ill-feelings in many.

Do you think it is bigotry to prevent two 16 year olds from marrying?

this is a step above the "people will be marrying animals in no time!" argument

Doll Is Mine wrote:the sight of two men holding hands in public still provokes ill-feelings in many.

The sight of any hands being held, really -- they're bacteria traps

Werthless wrote:If you define a person's position (Instead of the federal government, states should decide who can do _______) as bigotry requires a large leap. Classifying your political opponents as bigots/asshat/jerks is exactly the definition of bigotry, which amused me. Again, I'm pro gay marriage, but not every person that opposes me is a bigot. And nothing about Ryan's statement suggested hatred or animosity. Understand?

Please. They're pushing to defend DOMA (which so far has proved to be 100% indefensible) and have openly supported a gay marriage ban being inserted into the U.S. Constitution. The Federalism argument is pretextual nonsense. They don't want to leave it to the states at all.

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:denying unborn babies basic rights based on your own religious doctrine is pretty hateful, imo

I have a feeling that my point is being lost. Carry on, liberal army.

we were talking about gay rights.

but to address this, our definitions of what is considered a "baby" probably differs by a lot. there is a lot of gray area there and i concede that. but there isn't any gray area in defining gay people as real human beings

Werthless wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:That's because you're straight and can get married. Go try marrying a dude in your city and see what happens. The sort of looks you'll get will tell you all you need to know.

People think they're OK with gays but the sight of two men holding hands in public still provokes ill-feelings in many.

Do you think it is bigotry to prevent two 16 year olds from marrying?

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. I know because I've experienced it. Until you get that look of disdain from people for simply wanting to experience a basic human right, you'll never fully understand why it's bigotry. If it's not looks, it's insults, at times even from your own family.

Yes, they all love the gays but deep down inside, there are still prejudices and you dismissing that isn't helping matters, since you're pro gay marriage and all.

td, I though the discussion was around human rights. My bad.

thephan wrote:td, I though the discussion was around human rights. My bad.

werthless hack your account, dog?

Grotewold wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:the sight of two men holding hands in public still provokes ill-feelings in many.

The sight of any hands being held, really -- they're bacteria traps

Personally, I hate holding anyone's hands. Unless you're a parent holding your child's hand in the street, what exactly is the purpose?

If we're on a date, please don't grab my hand and hold it. I find it annoying.

Werthless by your logic supporting segregation isn't racist but calling someone out for that viewpoint is bigotry

Werthless wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:That's because you're straight and can get married. Go try marrying a dude in your city and see what happens. The sort of looks you'll get will tell you all you need to know.

People think they're OK with gays but the sight of two men holding hands in public still provokes ill-feelings in many.

Do you think it is bigotry to prevent two 16 year olds from marrying?

Is that really a good comparison? Being 16 isn't a group defining characteristic. Being 16 is temporary and everyone who lives long enough is 16 and then if they live long enough they are no longer 16. Everyone is treated equally and there is no group that has different rights than another group.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Don't know why betting markets have Obama around 58% to win. At best it's probably 50/50 and by next week Romney might be the favorite if the state polls keep inching towards him.

visitors to other boards need to go out and look for contrarian indicators

#backshegoesbenefits

Soren wrote:Werthless by your logic supporting segregation isn't racist but calling someone out for that viewpoint is bigotry

He's saying it's not wrong to hold the views of denying rights to gays, so yeah.

Doll Is Mine wrote: Unless you're a parent holding your child's hand in the street, what exactly is the purpose?

it's all about teh nonverbal communication

I think we're sort of at the root of the philosophical differences. People who rely on religious beliefs to set their values feel that their beliefs intrinsically can't be bigoted because those are the beliefs of a widely practiced theology.

/bucky

Bucky wrote:I think we're sort of at the root of the philosophical differences. People who rely on religious beliefs to set their values feel that their beliefs intrinsically can't be bigoted because those are the beliefs of a widely practiced theology.

I love you.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

Bucky wrote:I think we're sort of at the root of the philosophical differences. People who rely on religious beliefs to set their values feel that their beliefs intrinsically can't be bigoted because those are the beliefs of a widely practiced theology.

I love you.

Too bad Bucky likes holding hands

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