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Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 23, 2012 16:48:56

The 80s called; they want their foreign policy back.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 23, 2012 16:55:33

Just to be clear--Battleships are totally useless. Probably were never useful.

http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2011/ ... some-idea/
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 17:02:15

The 1980s Called, and They're Jealous of Mitt Romney's Defense Budget

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"Romney's plan to spend 4 percent of the GDP on defense sends the budget skyrocketing north of Cold War levels. It's amazingly unprecedented," says defense-budget expert Winslow Wheeler, a former Senate aide who now directs the Straus Military Reform Project at the Project On Government Oversight. Obama doesn't seem to have any new ideas on how to modernize the military, but at least "he's spending the same amount of money," Wheeler says. "If Romney is elected, he'll quickly realize his plan is completely unaffordable."

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 23, 2012 17:13:03

You know, Romney probably could reorganize the military and make it a lot more efficient--it's one area where his specific business experience would be a real asset. But he's not going to do it. Rumsfeld was going to try to do it, but then they decided to invade Iraq "with the the army you have, not the army you want".
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby smitty » Tue Oct 23, 2012 17:20:03

TenuredVulture wrote:Just to be clear--Battleships are totally useless. Probably were never useful.

http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2011/ ... some-idea/


Naval Gun Fire. Didn't 't you see that Audie Murphy movie? He called up those boats when he was on that tank and the boats destroyed the entire German army. Pretty badass.

Plus, the USS New Jersey provided Naval Gun Fire support in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon and the Persian Gulf. Now it's a cool museum I think.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 23, 2012 17:28:20

TenuredVulture wrote:You know, Romney probably could reorganize the military and make it a lot more efficient--it's one area where his specific business experience would be a real asset. But he's not going to do it. Rumsfeld was going to try to do it, but then they decided to invade Iraq "with the the army you have, not the army you want".



Mitt's expertise is more along this guy's lines:

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 23, 2012 17:30:08

smitty wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Just to be clear--Battleships are totally useless. Probably were never useful.

http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2011/ ... some-idea/


Naval Gun Fire. Didn't 't you see that Audie Murphy movie? He called up those boats when he was on that tank and the boats destroyed the entire German army. Pretty badass.

Plus, the USS New Jersey provided Naval Gun Fire support in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon and the Persian Gulf. Now it's a cool museum I think.


I like how in Civilization IV you use battleships to destroy your enemy's fishing boats.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 17:39:38

Smitty, you are correct. What were those, 16 inch guns? On target fire started at like 17 miles, but was up to 25 by the end of life. Delivery went from a solid projectile that made a huge hole in the ground to multiple munitions. That was Navy Power for coastal and open ocean operations.

This class of ship was surpassed by smaller ships brimming with highly accurate missiles that us less crew, expend less resources, are faster and can deliver effective destruction up to almost 1600 miles (referring to Tomahawk). Game changer.

Just for the awe factor, I found a cut away view of the 16"/50 Mark 7...

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and ... firing full broadsides...

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby smitty » Tue Oct 23, 2012 17:46:55

Projectile is the size of a VW.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby traderdave » Tue Oct 23, 2012 17:53:10

smitty wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Just to be clear--Battleships are totally useless. Probably were never useful.

http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2011/ ... some-idea/


Naval Gun Fire. Didn't 't you see that Audie Murphy movie? He called up those boats when he was on that tank and the boats destroyed the entire German army. Pretty badass.

Plus, the USS New Jersey provided Naval Gun Fire support in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon and the Persian Gulf. Now it's a cool museum I think.


It IS a very cool museum docked in Camden, NJ across from Penn's Landing in Philadelphia. I am in awe everytime I see it.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby traderdave » Tue Oct 23, 2012 18:13:14

http://news.yahoo.com/us-may-soon-becom ... nance.html

Yeah, but the debates, and...14%, and...ah, forget it.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby bleh » Tue Oct 23, 2012 18:17:39

traderdave wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/us-may-soon-become-worlds-top-oil-producer-173753430--finance.html

Yeah, but the debates, and...14%, and...ah, forget it.

Does this mean we'll start a war against ourself?

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 23, 2012 18:18:28

I bunked in the battleship USS Massachusetts, harbored in Battleship Cove, Fall River, MA, for a weekend when my son was in Cub Scouts. Damn things are noisy when filled with a Scout troop or 2.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 23, 2012 18:23:02

And I thought the use of Cub Scouts as artillery was banned by the Geneva Convention.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 23, 2012 18:40:52

go obama

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby smitty » Tue Oct 23, 2012 18:50:23

TenuredVulture wrote:And I thought the use of Cub Scouts as artillery was banned by the Geneva Convention.


Nope.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deployme ... vaconv.htm

Might be in the Hague convention though.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby phatj » Tue Oct 23, 2012 18:58:15

Are the scouts considered POWs?
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 23, 2012 21:56:58

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Tue Oct 23, 2012 21:58:16

Good luck with that. The DoD is so badly managed from a fiscal perspective that the entire department cannot even have an audit performed on it. As far as Rumsfeld, he was going to cut four divisions from the Army and four more from the National Guard prior to the 9/11 attacks - which would have been disastrous for both forces because of the strategic failures of Afghanistan and Iraq.

And businessmen rarely have success "reforming" the Pentagon. The last guy to make significant fiscal reforms within DoD was Robert McNamara.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby gr » Tue Oct 23, 2012 21:58:31

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