hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:38:26

in all honesty, i've stopped looking at polls. i find them annoying. i just tell my family to get out and vote. all i can do.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:40:22

pacino wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.

Just so we're clear...Mitt Romney (like any other Presidential candidate) doesn't actually have a detailed federal budget proposal, so any statement like this is hackery of the first order.

Just so we're clear, are you saying Mr Romney would NOT cut this program? This program he stated should be given back to the states, if not outright privatized?

Disaster relief is already mostly under the purview of the states. First responders and everything are generally state or local employees. Governors, county officials and municipal leaders are the ones making the key decisions. There is some role for federal coordination, and it's important for the federal government to provide disaster relief money so random disasters don't ruin state or local budgets in a given year. Spreading the risk around is a good thing, although I don't mind pushing for offsets. And it's my understanding that that money is usually appropriated separately by Congress (or maybe that's only when the initial appropriation runs out?) and isn't exactly FEMA. There's also overlap, and there are probably portions that can be comfortably eliminated. Debate answers, especially when there are 8 people on the stage or whatever so you get 30 seconds, aren't exactly ideal places for making cogent policy statements. Romney seemed to be answering the question more generally about the role of the federal government rather than focusing specifically on disaster relief. Agencies should be reevaluated, and if they can be handed down to states that already handle the majority of the responsibility anyway while saving money, go for it. If they can't, then they should be kept, or possibly expanded if need be. I don't think you're going to find a Romney administration in favor of looking inept and impotent in the face of natural disasters.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:43:11

What FEMA does is money and organization, and they have a finite amount that runs out. After that, congress allocates additional resources.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:44:43

jerseyhoya wrote:Everyone in campaigns misleads, stretches the truth, cherry picks facts, etc. Don't think that's a sophisticated or worldly position.


I respect your support of Romney and the intelligent arguments you've brought to this forum. But in this case, you're way off the mark. There is a huge chasm between any misrepresentations the Obama campaign has made and the consistent any-position-at-any-give-time track record of Mitt Romney. There is a point at which a difference in degree becomes a difference in kind.

This is a man who was for universal health care when politically expedient in liberal Massachusetts, but against it once he needed the support of Republicans. This is a man who, on abortion, was for it, then against and is now in support of the current law of the land.

'Roe v. Wade has gone too far.'
'I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.'


'I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.'
'There's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.'


'I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose.'
'I never really called myself pro-choice.'


'I like mandates. The mandates work.'
'I think it's unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.'


'I will work and fight for stem cell research.'
'In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.'


“I’m not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts.”
“Social Security’s the easiest and that’s because you can give people a personal account.”


“I’m a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering.”
“I changed my position.”


“I would like to have campaign spending limits.”
“The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations.”


“I supported the assault weapon ban.”
“I don’t support any gun control legislation.”


I could go on, of course. There simply is no reasonable "moral equivalency" argument between whatever misrepresentations Obama may have made and the whopper upon whopper that comes from Romney. Even if you give Romney the benefit of the doubt and assume he's neither a liar nor an idiot, at the very least it seems his only truly core principle is to get elected. Certainly even the most ardent, but honest, conservative has qualms about it, as we saw throughout the primaries.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:47:31

Does Romney Actually Have a Bigger ‘Ground Game’ Than Obama?

Two of the pivotal field offices in the country making phone calls to voters in swing states aren’t in Ohio or Colorado—they’re in Idaho Falls and Rexburg, Idaho.

Frank VanderSloot, head of a controversial “multi-level marketing” corporation that sells dietary supplements and cleaning supplies, is donating two of his company’s offices to Americans for Prosperity (AFP) to “create one of the largest call centers in the nation.” According to local reports, AFP is recruiting teenagers and others in Idaho with a promise of $10/hour to make anti-Obama calls to voters in key states. The combined efforts of VanderSloot, an avowed conservative billionaire and financier of the Romney Super PAC, and AFP, the dark money group led by the Koch brothers, may be Romney’s last hope in unseating President Obama.

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Take Ohio, the state that is likely to decide the election. In the Buckeye State, Obama has 131 field offices compared to Romney’s forty. That may seem like a stark difference until you consider Romney’s outside-money allies.

American Majority has four offices in Ohio directing efforts to bring people door-to-door to “Fire Obama;” Americans for Prosperity has six offices in the state and at least four paid organizers; and FreedomWorks is coordinating with at least seven local Tea Party groups to GOTV. Other right-wing groups sending field staff to Ohio: Heritage Action, the NRA, the Susan B. Anthony List, the Republican Jewish Coalition, Crossroads Generation, True the Vote and the Faith and Freedom Coalition.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:00:47

Looks like Florida may be tightening up again a bit (due, no doubt, to my visit there this past weekend).
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby kimbatiste » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:03:11

td11 wrote:Does Romney Actually Have a Bigger ‘Ground Game’ Than Obama?

Two of the pivotal field offices in the country making phone calls to voters in swing states aren’t in Ohio or Colorado—they’re in Idaho Falls and Rexburg, Idaho.

Frank VanderSloot, head of a controversial “multi-level marketing” corporation that sells dietary supplements and cleaning supplies, is donating two of his company’s offices to Americans for Prosperity (AFP) to “create one of the largest call centers in the nation.” According to local reports, AFP is recruiting teenagers and others in Idaho with a promise of $10/hour to make anti-Obama calls to voters in key states. The combined efforts of VanderSloot, an avowed conservative billionaire and financier of the Romney Super PAC, and AFP, the dark money group led by the Koch brothers, may be Romney’s last hope in unseating President Obama.

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Take Ohio, the state that is likely to decide the election. In the Buckeye State, Obama has 131 field offices compared to Romney’s forty. That may seem like a stark difference until you consider Romney’s outside-money allies.

American Majority has four offices in Ohio directing efforts to bring people door-to-door to “Fire Obama;” Americans for Prosperity has six offices in the state and at least four paid organizers; and FreedomWorks is coordinating with at least seven local Tea Party groups to GOTV. Other right-wing groups sending field staff to Ohio: Heritage Action, the NRA, the Susan B. Anthony List, the Republican Jewish Coalition, Crossroads Generation, True the Vote and the Faith and Freedom Coalition.


For those of you wondering, Idaho Falls is home to a huge Mormon church and Rexburg is the home of BYU-Idaho.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:16:35

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:19:04

@Ari_Shapiro: "Storm relief event" in Dayton begins with the Romney bio campaign video touting his record as a leader & a problem-solver.

i don't care but don't call it "storm relief" then
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:20:34

they asked for canned goods...in ohio
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:21:30

The fatal meningitis epidemic sweeping the United States can now be traced to the failure of then-Gov. Mitt Romney to adequately regulate the Massachusetts pharmaceutical company that is being blamed for the deaths.

At least 344 people in 18 states have been infected by the growing public health crisis and 25 have died so far.

But the epidemic may also play a role in the presidential campaign, now that state records reveal that a Massachusetts regulatory agency found that the New England Compounding Co., the pharmaceutical company tied to the epidemic, repeatedly failed to meet accepted standards in 2004 — but a reprimand was withdrawn by the Romney administration in apparent deference to the company’s business interests.

“It goes all the way up to Mitt Romney,” said Alyson Oliver, a Michigan attorney representing victims of the outbreak. According to Oliver, on at least six occasions, NECC was cited by authorities for failure to meet regulatory standards and almost subjected to a three-year probation. “It goes directly to the heart of what Romney says about regulation, ‘Hands off. Let the companies do their thing.’”


http://www.salon.com/2012/10/30/romneys ... _outbreak/
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:33:29

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also, the current conservative base narrative that obama had like 7 hours or whatever to send help to benghazi, but personally turned it down is pretty shitty
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:44:57

sry for blowing up threat but,

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Oct 30, 2012 15:48:17

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Oct 30, 2012 16:11:06

td11 wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Saw Christie endorsed Obama today, saying he's the right man for the job during tough times and stuff like that. Good for him.

Maybe I'm starting to like that fat tub of goo (Jerry Royster reference, ftw).


wouldn't quite call it an endorsement, he was just effusive in his praise :-D



Nope, I'm only reading the words that I find the most useful and confirm what I would like to see. He said Obama is the man and he can't wait to vote for him again. (I guess he voted Obama over McCain last time -- good for him!).

Maybe Christie is a dog lover or something.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 30, 2012 16:50:03

Obama's going up on TV now in PA, MI and MN

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue Oct 30, 2012 16:50:04

pacino wrote:in all honesty, i've stopped looking at polls. i find them annoying. i just tell my family to get out and vote. all i can do.

The only polls that matter...

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 30, 2012 16:52:41

CalvinBall wrote:Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Hurricane is good luck for Obama again- he will buy the election by handing out billions of dollars

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Not only giving out money, but Obama will be seen today standing in water and rain like he is a real President --- don't fall for it.


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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 30, 2012 16:55:33

Werthless wrote:Please highlight the lie, in bold. I can't see the 100% outright, boldfaced lie that you're alluding to.


your back will be killing you, pretzeling all around like that


and the expression is bAld-faced. a bald-faced lie. #whadidyoulearnyourenglishatsomekindofcrappycommunitycollegeorsomething
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 19:51:11

:h: ana kasparian on Current TV/Young Turks
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