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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:14:40

How Elizabeth Warren saved taxpayers up to a billion dollars:

Bailout politics are fraught with bitter political accusations. Just this week, Financial Services Committee Chairman Spencer Bachus released a report showing that Section 204 of the Dodd-Frank bill allows AIG-style bailouts to happen again, despite the claims of the administration. And scholarship is showing that the political influence of financial institutions, as measured by campaign contributions, was correlated with receipt of TARP funds. This makes sense – high level White House official Michael Froman, who apparently advised Obama to hire Geithner during the transition, made millions from Citigroup, the largest recipient of bailout funds and as Sheila Bair notes in her book Bull by the Horns, the least stable bank. Jack Lew, current White House Chief of Staff did as well. And Bob Rubin, a frequent below the radar advisor to Obama and mentor to Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, was the Chairman of Citigroup at the time of the bailouts.

TARP and Federal Reserve lending were correlated with political connections. But with the disposal of warrants, what Puente found is that political connections did not play a role in the valuations Treasury got when the government decided to auction them off. In fact, according to Puente, there was only one factor that mattered: Congressional Oversight Panel Chair Elizabeth Warren. It was Warren who, along with the Special Inspector General of TARP Neil Barofsky, put out a series of reports that forced Treasury to modify its process for selling the warrants. Puente noted that “warrant deals that occurred prior to the July 2009 COP report were systematically discounted.” The deals that came after were not. “With $8.97 billion in warrant deals having been completed between May 2009 and March 2011, that the COP helped Treasury get 10 percent more after publishing its report is non-trivial.”

good to see the President cozying up with all sorts of terrible people. We need Warren in Washington DC, ASAP, to make sure this crap doesnt happen.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:16:11

dajafi wrote:There's nothing more sophisticated and worldly than calling everyone a liar and then patting yourself on the back for seeing the cleverness of your side's lies.

President Obama in second debate wrote:Candy, what Governor Romney said just isn't true. He wanted to take them into bankruptcy without providing them any way to stay open. And we would have lost a million jobs.

I'll bet you're quite pleased at Obama taking the high ground on this issue and avoiding any misleading mischaracterizations of his opponents' positions regarding the auto industry. Because using scare tactics is just beneath the office of the Presidency.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:17:51

Having a plan that wouldn't have worked by all accounts is like having no plan at all.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:19:30

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pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.

Just so we're clear...Mitt Romney (like any other Presidential candidate) doesn't actually have a detailed federal budget proposal, so any statement like this is hackery of the first order.

Isn't it on his website under his 5 point plan: Programs to slash?

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:20:13

jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.

Just so we're clear...Mitt Romney (like any other Presidential candidate) doesn't actually have a detailed federal budget proposal, so any statement like this is hackery of the first order.

Just so we're clear, are you saying Mr Romney would NOT cut this program? This program he stated should be given back to the states, if not outright privatized?
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby traderdave » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:20:16

CalvinBall wrote:Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Hurricane is good luck for Obama again- he will buy the election by handing out billions of dollars

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Not only giving out money, but Obama will be seen today standing in water and rain like he is a real President --- don't fall for it.


I wish Trump would fall...into the swollen Hudson River.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby dajafi » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:21:14

pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.


What jh said is accurate (if kind of meaningless--"proposal" isn't literal but rather an indication of priorities), but it's also probably worth noting that I'm sure Romney will say, or maybe already has said if he's allowing reporters to question him today, "Of course we won't cut disaster relief." Just like he of course won't cut education or so many other things.

This is why the math doesn't add up. He's either willing to court political disaster by making these huge cuts; not going to do any of what he says; or will do what Republicans usually do and cut taxes but not spending, exploding the deficit further and hoping that the magic growth fairy will save him.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:21:58

CalvinBall wrote:Having a plan that wouldn't have worked by all accounts is like having no plan at all.

But honestly, if there's one thing Romney knows a thing or two about it's taking a company through bankrupcy, AMIRITE? :lol:

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:22:59

dajafi wrote:
pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.


What jh said is accurate (if kind of meaningless--"proposal" isn't literal but rather an indication of priorities), but it's also probably worth noting that I'm sure Romney will say, or maybe already has said if he's allowing reporters to question him today, "Of course we won't cut disaster relief." Just like he of course won't cut education or so many other things.

This is why the math doesn't add up. He's either willing to court political disaster by making these huge cuts; not going to do any of what he says; or will do what Republicans usually do and cut taxes but not spending, exploding the deficit further and hoping that the magic growth fairy will save him.

Of the droppings he's decided to give to us, we can gleam that he will cut non-defense spending by 20%, and then 'hold the line'. He will 'reform' medicare. He will 'reform' medicaid. He will also lower taxes. He will also balance the budget. He will also increase defense spending.

I'm sorry everyone, but excuse me for pulling out numbers. Don't know where I ever got that.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:23:58

And trump is an idiot who should be ignored. I think all the regular posters on this board agree. Just thought I'd highlight this agreement. :)

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:24:09

the david brooks endorsement of romney can basically be summarized as, "well the main issue is obstuctionist house republicans so lets vote in more republicans!"
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:25:28

pacino wrote:
pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.

I'm sorry everyone, but excuse me for pulling out numbers. Don't know where I ever got that.

Where did you get this number?

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:25:31

Werthless wrote:And trump is an idiot who should be ignored. I think all the regular posters on this board agree. Just thought I'd highlight this agreement. :)

What sucks is that was the only reality show I used to enjoy watching. Now I'm missing out on great, terrible television because I refuse to support him.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:26:16

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:
pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.

I'm sorry everyone, but excuse me for pulling out numbers. Don't know where I ever got that.

Where did you get this number?

by misreading an article. He would actually decrease it 1.8 billion (the 20% decrease).
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:27:27

td11 wrote:the david brooks endorsement of romney can basically be summarized as, "well the main issue is obstuctionist house republicans so lets vote in more republicans!"

Werthless wrote:I dont know what to make of this piece... Cutting through the crap, why didnt the Senate Budget Committee draft a budget?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... op_emailed

Did anyone read this? It doesn't jive with the narrative I've been hearing, and that I had assumed was correct, so I wanted to know if anyone had an intelligent counterpoint regarding the Senate's role in the partisan gridlock.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:29:19

pacino wrote:
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pacino wrote:
pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.

I'm sorry everyone, but excuse me for pulling out numbers. Don't know where I ever got that.

Where did you get this number?

by misreading an article. He would actually decrease it 1.8 billion (the 20% decrease).

It's ok. We forgive your fear-mongering ways. ;)

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:29:24

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:the david brooks endorsement of romney can basically be summarized as, "well the main issue is obstuctionist house republicans so lets vote in more republicans!"

Werthless wrote:I dont know what to make of this piece... Cutting through the crap, why didnt the Senate Budget Committee draft a budget?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... op_emailed

Did anyone read this? It doesn't jive with the narrative I've been hearing, and that I had assumed was correct, so I wanted to know if anyone had an intelligent counterpoint regarding the Senate's role in the partisan gridlock.

they're going to give everything away in 2013, why bother now? we are all screwed.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:30:03

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:
Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:
pacino wrote:mitt romney's budget proposal would cut FEMA to 1.8 billion from 13 billion.

I'm sorry everyone, but excuse me for pulling out numbers. Don't know where I ever got that.

Where did you get this number?

by misreading an article. He would actually decrease it 1.8 billion (the 20% decrease).

It's ok. We forgive your fear-mongering ways. ;)

a 1.8 billion decrease when we are relying on FEMA, an actual well-run FEMA, more and more is crazy.
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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby dajafi » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:32:22

If you believe climate change is real and that we're going to see more brutally disruptive weather in coming years, it probably makes sense to up FEMA's funding rather than cut it. FWIW, I think Romney's managerial instincts--and the fact that these storms tend to brutalize red states as or more often than they hit blue states (which shouldn't matter, but does)--would push him in this direction.

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Re: hardcore BATTLESHIP... the POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 30, 2012 14:37:27

outside of gallup, all national polls are tight (havent seen any with more than a 2 point lead either way).

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