Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Sep 24, 2012 23:29:31

Brit Hume ‏@Kimsfirst
Replacement refs doing the best they can. That's the problem. Sort of like President Obama.


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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Sep 25, 2012 00:37:34

FAIR AND BALANCED

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Eddie Jordan » Tue Sep 25, 2012 00:51:15

jerseyhoya wrote:
Brit Hume ‏@Kimsfirst
Replacement refs doing the best they can. That's the problem. Sort of like President Obama.


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It's a little humorous because the NFL situation boils down to ultra rich white guys similar to Mitt Romney unwilling to share a piece of their mutlibillion dollar pie that's hurting the overall product.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Sep 25, 2012 01:48:46

CalvinBall wrote:FAIR AND BALANCED

BRIT is a commentator. He hasn't hosted a show in years.

Eddie Jordan wrote:It's a little humorous because the NFL situation boils down to ultra rich white guys similar to Mitt Romney unwilling to share a piece of their mutlibillion dollar pie that's hurting the overall product.

It's a private sector union locked out and not giving into the unreasonable demands of management. The workers are showing their value added, and that they truly deserve what they're asking for. Nothing wrong with what the refs are doing according to the GOP. The reason ownership has gotten away with it as long as they have is the NFL is for all practical purposes a monopoly. In any normal industry, with the labor lockout hurting the company's brand so badly, management would have settled weeks ago.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Sep 25, 2012 09:06:08

I was getting a little tired of all these "look at the polls the Democrats are gonna win everything" stories. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... siness_pop But far more tiresome are Republicans going on about how worthless the polls are. Huckabee's commentary this morning was perhaps the worst.

The media's emphasis on the polls and who's up and who's down, basically treating the election like a fantasy football league, is just another reason why the media suck.

The exception would be stories like this:

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/09/2 ... ing-class/ and the related post, because gets to the policy impact of how we currently conduct politics.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Sep 25, 2012 09:18:57

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:FAIR AND BALANCED

BRIT is a commentator. He hasn't hosted a show in years.

Eddie Jordan wrote:It's a little humorous because the NFL situation boils down to ultra rich white guys similar to Mitt Romney unwilling to share a piece of their mutlibillion dollar pie that's hurting the overall product.

It's a private sector union locked out and not giving into the unreasonable demands of management. The workers are showing their value added, and that they truly deserve what they're asking for. Nothing wrong with what the refs are doing according to the GOP. The reason ownership has gotten away with it as long as they have is the NFL is for all practical purposes a monopoly. In any normal industry, with the labor lockout hurting the company's brand so badly, management would have settled weeks ago.


I think you're pretty naive. Many businesses are seeking to turn labor into a commodity. A big segment of the business world today is basically going as cheap as possible with labor, and do not care if that results in substandard service. Ever shop at a Wal-Mart? They believe no matter how shitty their service, no matter how understaffed and poorly trained their staff is, people continue to shop there. It's sort of like the reverse of Henry Ford--if we treat workers like shit, they'll be so desperate to save a few pennies on toilet paper we don't need to worry about having well trained and motivated workers to serve them.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:02:10

jerseyhoya wrote:Hillary Clinton Aide Tells Reporter To “#$!&@ Off” And “Have A Nice Life” - An amazing (embarrassing to both) exchange between a CNN reporter and an Deputy Assistant Secretary of State.


That is an absolute disgrace. I know it won't happen but dude should be on the unemployment line. If I emailed a client today and told him to "fuck off" I know I would be shown the door pretty quickly.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:23:52

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:FAIR AND BALANCED

BRIT is a commentator. He hasn't hosted a show in years.


Senior political analyst, per Wikipedia. That's a bit more than a commentator.

jerseyhoya wrote:
Eddie Jordan wrote:It's a little humorous because the NFL situation boils down to ultra rich white guys similar to Mitt Romney unwilling to share a piece of their mutlibillion dollar pie that's hurting the overall product.

It's a private sector union locked out and not giving into the unreasonable demands of management. The workers are showing their value added, and that they truly deserve what they're asking for. Nothing wrong with what the refs are doing according to the GOP. The reason ownership has gotten away with it as long as they have is the NFL is for all practical purposes a monopoly. In any normal industry, with the labor lockout hurting the company's brand so badly, management would have settled weeks ago.

Please point to an example of a GOP politician supporting a union strike within the past decade.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:13:38

Apparently Scott Walker, currently; although I am sure his "support" was simply a knee-jerk reaction to the Packers losing.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Sep 25, 2012 13:01:20

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:FAIR AND BALANCED

BRIT is a commentator. He hasn't hosted a show in years.

Senior political analyst, per Wikipedia. That's a bit more than a commentator.

He sits on panels on a couple of shows a week and offers his opinion. I don't really care if his title is "commentator" or "senior political analyst" or whatever. It appears Fox News gives its regular commentators (Juan Williams, Mara Liasson, Charles Krauthammer, etc.) the title 'political analyst'. Brit has been with the network just about from the beginning, so I guess he's a 'senior political analyst'. In any case he's not in a role where he's portrayed as being objective.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Eddie Jordan wrote:It's a little humorous because the NFL situation boils down to ultra rich white guys similar to Mitt Romney unwilling to share a piece of their mutlibillion dollar pie that's hurting the overall product.

It's a private sector union locked out and not giving into the unreasonable demands of management. The workers are showing their value added, and that they truly deserve what they're asking for. Nothing wrong with what the refs are doing according to the GOP. The reason ownership has gotten away with it as long as they have is the NFL is for all practical purposes a monopoly. In any normal industry, with the labor lockout hurting the company's brand so badly, management would have settled weeks ago.

Please point to an example of a GOP politician supporting a union strike within the past decade.

For the most part I don't think politicians should intervene or comment on labor disputes unless they directly affect the functioning of government or national security type things. I can't really think of too many (any) instances of GOP politicians weighing in on either side of a strike involving private sector unions since I started paying attention to politics. Google tells me GWB invoked Taft-Hartley in 2002 to end a lockout of a longshoremen union on the West Coast, and they subsequently did well for themselves when they came to an agreement on a new contract.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Sep 25, 2012 13:20:00

I wasn't going to comment on the issue, but to pretend the GOP is anything but actively and aggressively anti-union is just plain silly.

For example:

The Republican war on unions continues apace. On a near-party-line vote Wednesday, the House passed a bill crafted to thwart a National Labor Relations Board decision, made earlier Wednesday, that would entitle workers to a timely vote on unionization once they’ve petitioned for it. By ruling that employers’ legal challenges can be entertained only after a vote, the board effectively denied employers the ability to hold up a vote for weeks, months or even years. Elections delayed, the NLRB essentially said, are elections denied.

The House legislation, by contrast, stipulated that such legal challenges can go forward before the vote. The bill will almost surely go nowhere in the Democratic-controlled Senate, but then, it’s just one foray in the Republicans’ battle to extirpate worker-controlled organizations in America.


But that won’t stop the GOP’s jihad. The term of NLRB member Craig Becker expires this month, which will winnow board membership down to a powerless two. GOP legislators won’t confirm more members as long as Obama is president, nor will they permit a congressional recess during which Obama could make recess appointments. Throughout 2012, then, the organization that governs labor relations in the United States will govern no more: Lower-level labor-board judges can issue rulings, but the board to which such rulings can be appealed will be MIA.


Some might reasonably wonder why the GOP war persists when union power has already been so greatly reduced. In the mid-20th century, 40 percent of private-sector workers belonged to unions; today, just 7 percent do. But the Republican struggle continues for two reasons. When it comes to elections, unions are still the most potent mobilizers of the Democratic vote — getting minorities to the polls and persuading members of the white working class to vote Democratic. Indeed, Republican gains among working-class whites (whom they carried by an unprecedented 63 percent to 33 percent in 2010) are, above all, the result of the deunionization of that class. An analysis of exit polling over the past 30 years shows that unionized white working-class men vote Democratic at a rate 20 percent higher than their non-union counterparts. For political reasons, Republicans are determined to de-unionize workers even more.

There’s another reason, too. The Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis reports that in the third quarter, wages as a share of gross domestic product were the lowest they’ve been since 1929, and compensation (that includes health insurance) as a share of GDP was at its lowest point since 1955. Corporate profits as a share of GDP, by contrast, are the highest they’ve been since 1929. The destruction of private-sector unions has redistributed income to the rich, which is the Republican Party’s raison d’etre.

Which is why the Republican war on unions — which is also the Republican war on the 99 percent — rolls on.


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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Sep 25, 2012 13:22:26

The GOP should go to war against Obama's NLRB. Union states shouldn't be privileged over right to work states by the federal government.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Sep 25, 2012 13:33:27

theyre the states that prop up the rest of the US, so maybe they should be?
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Sep 25, 2012 13:38:01

jerseyhoya wrote:The GOP should go to war against Obama's NLRB. Union states shouldn't be privileged over right to work states by the federal government.


Sounds to me like you think it's not fair.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Roger Dorn » Tue Sep 25, 2012 14:09:13

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20120925_N_J__senator_wants_to_ban_replacement_refs.html

New Jersey state senator ready to introduce legislation banning replacement refs for professional sports played in New Jersey. Refs must have screwed up his fantasy team.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Sep 25, 2012 14:21:59

Doll Is Mine wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:The GOP should go to war against Obama's NLRB. Union states shouldn't be privileged over right to work states by the federal government.


Sounds to me like you think it's not fair.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Sep 25, 2012 14:28:45

pacino wrote:theyre the states that prop up the rest of the US, so maybe they should be?

So you're saying the North should have let the South secede, aren't you? :) It is ironic that the liberal states subsidize the federal social spending in conservative states. Luckily, liberals are just so darn generous with their social services, and oppose the tax schemes that would alleviate this dichotomy.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Sep 25, 2012 14:39:38

yay for 3 posts in a row! I need to take a week off to recover.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/09/ ... /?iid=Lead

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 15:20:26

Werthless wrote:yay for 3 posts in a row! I need to take a week off to recover.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/09/ ... /?iid=Lead


But we need some honesty and consistency in this discussion. If you're fine with the 47% taking full advantage of current tax law, you lose your standing to rag on Romney for doing the same thing. If you say that it's perfectly fine for Romney and other supposed job creators to pay less than what average workers pay just for Social Security and Medicare, you don't have standing to complain about the 47%.


yes, millionaires taking advantage of tax laws to hoard their millions is the same thing as the 47% of poverty-line americans taking advantage of tax laws to keep a few hundred or thousand more dollars to themselves.

i do agree that the tax code is fucked, but cmon
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Sep 25, 2012 15:33:43

jerseyhoya wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Eddie Jordan wrote:It's a little humorous because the NFL situation boils down to ultra rich white guys similar to Mitt Romney unwilling to share a piece of their mutlibillion dollar pie that's hurting the overall product.

It's a private sector union locked out and not giving into the unreasonable demands of management. The workers are showing their value added, and that they truly deserve what they're asking for. Nothing wrong with what the refs are doing according to the GOP. The reason ownership has gotten away with it as long as they have is the NFL is for all practical purposes a monopoly. In any normal industry, with the labor lockout hurting the company's brand so badly, management would have settled weeks ago.

Please point to an example of a GOP politician supporting a union strike within the past decade.

For the most part I don't think politicians should intervene or comment on labor disputes unless they directly affect the functioning of government or national security type things. I can't really think of too many (any) instances of GOP politicians weighing in on either side of a strike involving private sector unions since I started paying attention to politics. Google tells me GWB invoked Taft-Hartley in 2002 to end a lockout of a longshoremen union on the West Coast, and they subsequently did well for themselves when they came to an agreement on a new contract.


Are you serious? Taft-Hartley is NAMED after two Republicans and was only passed after Truman's veto. And that was during a time when there were still extraordinary injustices in the workforce (not that there aren't still, but it was on an entirely different scale in the 1940s--no OSHA, no equal pay protection, no minimum wage, etc.).

There is nothing, either historically or in modern times, to suggest that the Republican Party would support a labor union strike.

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