Eddie Jordan wrote:

Here you can see Brown's staffers making "war whoops" and "tomahawk chops", presumably in reference to Warren's Cherokee heritage. Identified in video making the chop are Brown's Constituent Service Counsel Jack Richard (camoflage shirt) and -- we believe -- Massachusetts GOP operative Brad Garrett, front and center with tan baseball cap and gray hoodie, leading the whoops and chops.

that's never good...

mozartpc27 wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Fair enough, but saying that my question isn't "particularly relevant" to your point is silly. You claimed that the GOP would say that there's nothing wrong with what the refs are doing (lockout or strike, it's essentially the same thing). My point is that history seems to contradict your statement, so I asked for evidence to the contrary.

What are the refs "doing"? They've been locked out. They're not doing anything.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Fair enough, but saying that my question isn't "particularly relevant" to your point is silly. You claimed that the GOP would say that there's nothing wrong with what the refs are doing (lockout or strike, it's essentially the same thing). My point is that history seems to contradict your statement, so I asked for evidence to the contrary.

What are the refs "doing"? They've been locked out. They're not doing anything.

Sure they are. They're refusing to enter into a new collective bargaining agreement because they don't like the terms being offered. The offered raise wasn't high enough, and the refs don't like the idea of converting from a pension to a 401(k).

The fault primarily lies with the owners and Goodell, but let's not act as if the refs couldn't end this "lockout" in a heartbeat.

Republicans have not been reluctant to try to take hard swings at Obama on foreign policy. Quite the opposite. They’ve been swinging hard and wildly for years. The problem is that their swings never connect, and their criticisms are usually so overwrought or inaccurate that they never register with anyone outside their own party.

mozartpc27 wrote:Having said that, I wish the players would refuse to report unless/until the real refs were restored. THAT would end this lockout in a heartbeat.

bleh wrote:Paul Ryan: "I half think that these refs work part-time for the Obama administration in the budget office. ... They're trying to pick the winners and losers, and they don't even do that very well.''

uggghh

What's known is this: As the Herald reported after publishing its initial story on Warren's background, researchers at the New England Historical Genealogical Society believe that one of Warren's great-great-great grandmothers, a woman named O.C. Sarah Smith, was Cherokee. If O.C. Sarah Smith was full-blooded, that would make Warren at least 1/32 Cherokee. (While that may seem insubstantial, Bill John Baker, the principal chief of the Cherokee nation, is also 1/32 Cherokee.) The NEHGS based its claim on a March 2006 newsletter referencing research by a woman named Lynda Smith. The newsletter reports that while digging into her own ancestry, Smith found a marriage application in which William J. Crawford, a son of O.C. Sarah Smith, listed his mother's race as Cherokee.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Having said that, I wish the players would refuse to report unless/until the real refs were restored. THAT would end this lockout in a heartbeat.

I've seen it inferred in several places that it would be a violation of the CBA. I'm not sure what the sanctions are, whether it'd be an outright voiding of the contract or simply sanctions (which would be much worse for the players IMO).

td11 wrote:i saw this tweet

George Zornick ‏@gzornick
Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation has statement out on Brown fiasco: calls out "offensive and racist behavior." @thenation

and dug up this little nugget:

What's known is this: As the Herald reported after publishing its initial story on Warren's background, researchers at the New England Historical Genealogical Society believe that one of Warren's great-great-great grandmothers, a woman named O.C. Sarah Smith, was Cherokee. If O.C. Sarah Smith was full-blooded, that would make Warren at least 1/32 Cherokee. (While that may seem insubstantial, Bill John Baker, the principal chief of the Cherokee nation, is also 1/32 Cherokee.) The NEHGS based its claim on a March 2006 newsletter referencing research by a woman named Lynda Smith. The newsletter reports that while digging into her own ancestry, Smith found a marriage application in which William J. Crawford, a son of O.C. Sarah Smith, listed his mother's race as Cherokee.

here's a picture of him:

mozartpc27 wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Having said that, I wish the players would refuse to report unless/until the real refs were restored. THAT would end this lockout in a heartbeat.

I've seen it inferred in several places that it would be a violation of the CBA. I'm not sure what the sanctions are, whether it'd be an outright voiding of the contract or simply sanctions (which would be much worse for the players IMO).

Go ahead and void the 10 year BS contract. See if we care.

Would be my attitude.

I mean, it's not as if the NFL could REALLY do anything. They would probably threaten lawsuits, etc. But they can't have them thrown in prison, and, realistically, when the lockout/walkout ended, people would expect to see their "real" teams back on the field. So it's not as if the NFL could just blackball anybody who walked out.

Ha, even Forbes magazine - FORBES MAGAZINE - agrees the players should walk out: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/ ... es-return/

I wish the NFLPA weren't to the MLBPA what the Philadelphia Soul are to the Philadelphia Eagles. You'd think all those football players would have a little backbone.