Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

by **jerseyhoya** » Sat May 05, 2012 00:01:20

Bless Elizabeth Warren and her efforts to make it clear how dumb racial preferences can be

by **Bucky** » Sat May 05, 2012 00:26:46

drsmooth wrote:
Werthless wrote:I agree with all of that. Romney's playing politics by exaggerating what a real recovery looks like, and Obama loses if the race becomes about him and win if it becomes about Romney.

But no "good" politician exaggerates as he has, because he's gone so far it looks like incompetence. Anyone with an ounce of preparation does not suggest 500k jobs/month is what's to be expected. And he made similar absurd suggestions about a target unemployment rate.

If you're to be credible as the "job creator expert wunderkind" candidate, you can't do that. And he did it. Did it almost as if he didn't think at all about it. Which is probably accurate.

but for every doc smooth, or werthless, or dajafi, or jhoya who knows this, there are a thousand other registered voters who have no effin clue.

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Sat May 05, 2012 04:33:54

Bucky wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
Werthless wrote:I agree with all of that. Romney's playing politics by exaggerating what a real recovery looks like, and Obama loses if the race becomes about him and win if it becomes about Romney.

But no "good" politician exaggerates as he has, because he's gone so far it looks like incompetence. Anyone with an ounce of preparation does not suggest 500k jobs/month is what's to be expected. And he made similar absurd suggestions about a target unemployment rate.

If you're to be credible as the "job creator expert wunderkind" candidate, you can't do that. And he did it. Did it almost as if he didn't think at all about it. Which is probably accurate.

but for every doc smooth, or werthless, or dajafi, or jhoya who knows this, there are a thousand other registered voters who have no effin clue.

(not really relevant, just that I made that awhile ago and never used it)

by **drsmooth** » Sat May 05, 2012 09:03:53

Bucky wrote:but for every doc smooth, or werthless, or dajafi, or jhoya who knows this, there are a thousand other registered voters who have no effin clue.

not yet maybe

by **dajafi** » Sat May 05, 2012 11:47:17

I do think that if Romney said something like "The April number was about a third of what we could reasonably expect at this point in a solid recovery," he'd have been on much more solid ground factually while no weaker in terms of the rhetoric.

And maybe this does matter if it feeds the narrative of the guy who will say anything or take any position for his own advantage.

by **drsmooth** » Sat May 05, 2012 21:58:34

dajafi wrote:I do think that if Romney said something like "The April number was about a third of what we could reasonably expect at this point in a solid recovery," he'd have been on much more solid ground factually while no weaker in terms of the rhetoric.

That's the statement of someone who actually knows the subject matter about which he claims expertise. A guy who just blurts out an "expectable" number that's waaayyyyy higher than historical norms is both a subject matter doofus AND a political doofus. A politically savvy, labor economics ignorant candidate would never tie himself so carelessly to an unlikely-to-be-reached figure like that, in a way that suggests "hey, if I'm president, I can produce that kind of result." If I'm team Obama, I find someone to make sure to ask publicly, every day until the election, "what's Romney's specific plan for generating half a million new jobs a month? He's said it's doable - exactly how will he do it?"

This is not a subject like foreign policy, about which he clearly knows almost nothing. This is about the very thing he claims to be really good at.

How about this: we elect Mitt, with the proviso that the day after the very first month in which half a million new jobs are not created, he resigns?

I'm willing to give him a one month probationary period. But no health benefits during that time, of course.

by **Werthless** » Sat May 05, 2012 22:24:00

jerseyhoya wrote:Bless Elizabeth Warren and her efforts to make it clear how dumb racial preferences can be

My son is about 1/4 Hispanic, but he will only be allowed to check that box if he speaks Spanish natively. Otherwise it's bullshit. You need to have a connection to the culture.

by **pacino** » Sat May 05, 2012 22:25:26

so mrs clinton killed it while negotiating with china. good going, miss.

by **pacino** » Sat May 05, 2012 22:26:42

romney is basically promising the best economy of all-time ever in the history of americas the united states of if he's elected. sheesh, good luck pal.

by **pacino** » Sat May 05, 2012 22:28:34

arizona becomes yet another state to ban funding to planned parenthood, and also to purposely misunderstand what planned parenthood does for 1/6 of all women. brewer signed it the same day courts blocked a similar texas law.

what a bunch of idiots.

by **TenuredVulture** » Sat May 05, 2012 22:45:24

Werthless wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Bless Elizabeth Warren and her efforts to make it clear how dumb racial preferences can be
My son is about 1/4 Hispanic, but he will only be allowed to check that box if he speaks Spanish natively. Otherwise it's bullshit. You need to have a connection to the culture.

Does eating every meal at Chipotle give you a cultural connection?

by **dajafi** » Sun May 06, 2012 11:11:03

Gary Johnson got the Libertarian nomination for president. I honestly can't figure out whom he'll hurt more if he's able to get attention. The guy is a good politician, and actually has a track record; his governorship is probably more impressive than Romney's, certainly if you omit Romneycare.

by **jerseyhoya** » Sun May 06, 2012 14:03:38

Parliamentary elections in Greece appear to have returned a result that may result in them being unable to form a government, and if they do manage to cobble together a coalition it looks like it will be unstable and unclear whether it will support continued austerity or not.

Hollande has beaten Sarkozy, so France and Germany are no longer on the same page regarding the way forward for the Eurozone in the various economic crises.

Interesting times coming in Europe.

by **The Nightman Cometh** » Sun May 06, 2012 17:37:49

Greece should have just defaulted and left the Euro. Amazing how badly they were influenced by France and Germany.

by **TenuredVulture** » Sun May 06, 2012 19:08:05

Leaving the Euro is a lot easier said than done and would have done a lot of damage to the economy.

by **The Nightman Cometh** » Sun May 06, 2012 19:14:28

So are the requirements imposed on to Greece by the EU for that loan. Things would get worse, but they'd also get better quicker too.

by **drsmooth** » Sun May 06, 2012 21:04:29

This is just what Mitt needs - another Bain fuckstick insisting economic inequality in the US isn't disparate enough, on a book tour, no less.

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon May 07, 2012 01:06:57

Germany should put two fingers up and just say they're going back to the Mark. I understand them having some guilt, as they should, but jeez there's only so far you can be expected to go.

by **drsmooth** » Mon May 07, 2012 07:10:30

jerseyhoya wrote:Germany should put two fingers up and just say they're going back to the Mark. I understand them having some guilt, as they should, but jeez there's only so far you can be expected to go.

That's basically what the world realized about Germany in the 1940s

by **TenuredVulture** » Mon May 07, 2012 08:42:33

drsmooth wrote:This is just what Mitt needs - another Bain fuckstick insisting economic inequality in the US isn't disparate enough, on a book tour, no less.

You're supposed to stop taking Ayn Rand seriously when you're 17. There's a big difference between Adam Smith and Friedrich Nietzsche.

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