Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby td11 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:16:23

mozartpc27 wrote:You know, it occurs to me that Rock Santorum should hire some new handlers. Because while he was going off the rails this morning trying to explain why John F. Kennedy's first inaugural speech, and in particular its stated wish to see an "absolute" separation of Church and state, makes him want to "vomit," he at no point mentioned the almost certain reason for the reference to that principle in the speech (because really, who talks about the separation of Church and State on inauguration day?), which, had he known his history, he could have invoked to help make him look good instead of crazy. Kennedy was a Catholic, and there was a lot of real fear in the country at the time that Kennedy would just be a tool of the papal see, Dan-Brown-conspiracy style. So his invocation of the separation of church and state was a political move, meant to assuage fears about himself.

Had Santorum known this - and it's clear now that he didn't, not when he originally made the comment, and not when he was interviewed about it this morning - he could have claimed that the speech, and that line in particular, makes him want to "vomit" because it reminds of him of a time when religious and other types of bigotry was so rampant in this country, etc. Etc., etc.

Instead, he said something nutty and borderline incoherent about how important it is not to have a separation of church and state so we can ensure that non-believers have an opportunity to have their ideas heard too.


it's great because if you go on his website, there is this:

Just now we need to be reminded of what has made us a role model to others and what has made us so great in the past. There are essentially four fundamentally American contributions to the world that define not only how we have organized our government but how we have organized our lives:

...

And finally, a system of governance that promotes human flourishing, seeks the common good and maximizes personal liberty. Rule of law, checks and balances, separation of church and state, subsidiarity, and federalism. Our founders understood that man’s nature is inclined toward self and sin, and that no one person or institution should have the opportunity to consolidate power, lest the freedom of others be taken away.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:23:14

This to love at this moment:

1. Romney does not realize the stuff that falls out of his mouth while he goes off message just torch him. Talking about the bunches of American cars he owns and his wife's couple of caddies at their multiple homes around the US was just impressive, but I guess he though that he was just saying that he is doing his part for America. Almost every day he says something dumb.

2. Santorum getting frothy under pressure is great. The more he talks, the deeper the hole (that we all really knew he would dig).

3. Paul hanging around for no good reason but the blaze the front runner is funny. I keep forgetting he is running when the say things about the FOUR candidates.

4. Obama not really doing much of anything at the moment to preserve the opportunity of the Fab Four tearing each other to shreds.

5. Romney calling out Obama for apologizing for the cultural blunder of burning religious material that the radicals have seized to crash a fragile Afghanistan back into concentrated violence. He also bash Obama in the same speech for announcing a withdraw plan (a plan I do not see as feasible) that happens during the fighting season, while missing that modern asymmetric warfare has no season anymore.

6. Open talk of needing to find a viable candidate for the GOP ticket that is none of the above.

What a Charlie Foxtrot.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:55:55

Seems like Jeb's and Rudy's recent comments about the GOP going crazy could be positioning fpr 2016.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:55:51

TenuredVulture wrote:Seems like Jeb's and Rudy's recent comments about the GOP going crazy could be positioning fpr 2016.


Or a contested convention in 2012... we'll no more after Super Tuesday
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:45:07

It's looking like fairly safe bets that Santorum wins Ohio, Oklahoma, and Tennessee while Romney takes Virginia (Santorum not even on ballot), Michigan, and Arizona. Scary how many states Santorum is going to win.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:52:29

It's looking like a fairly safe bet that mp hasn't realized that state polling in this race has been pretty fucking useless more than a week out

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:58:03

The only state that I wouldn't feel safe betting on of those six is Michigan. It's not that volatile.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Feb 27, 2012 13:39:51

slugsrbad wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Seems like Jeb's and Rudy's recent comments about the GOP going crazy could be positioning fpr 2016.


Or a contested convention in 2012... we'll no more after Super Tuesday



I think if the Republicans tried to nominate anyone who is positioning himself as a moderate in a brokered convention there'd be blood in the street. I certainly don't know the rules of a brokered convention, but I believe the scenario would be something like the Santorum and Gingrich (and Bachmann and Perry) delegates lining up behind someone like Rubio, not Giuliani.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Feb 27, 2012 14:04:53

Sooo... this is Dave Albo, a Republican member of the Virginia House of Delegates. A very prominent member, in fact. He was one of the Delegates involved in the negotiations over the notorious ultrasound bill.

Yeah... um... just watch.



Needless to say, this has drawn some attention. And it's a mortal lock he'll make the Daily Show at some point this week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/del-dave-albo-all-that-ultrasound-talk-ruined-a-romantic-night-video/2012/02/24/gIQAiL9WYR_blog.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/opinion/sunday/dowd-ghastly-outdated-party.html?_r=2&scp=2&sq=dowd&st=cse

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 27, 2012 14:06:37

The Nightman Cometh wrote:The only state that I wouldn't feel safe betting on of those six is Michigan. It's not that volatile.

The only Ohio poll from this week has Santorum up 36-29% on Romney. The way numbers have been moving in states once they become engaged plus the possibility of Romney getting a bump if he wins both states tomorrow, that lead hardly seems safe.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Mon Feb 27, 2012 14:35:07

Fair enough, but unless Romney starts showing some self awareness I'm having a hard time seeing where he makes up those points in a state full of joe the plumbers and evangelists.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 27, 2012 14:58:58

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Feb 27, 2012 15:16:40

So who is going to turn out their voters? It seems like Santorum has been getting his voters out at a better rate. So I'm predicting a good day(s) for Radical Rick.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 27, 2012 15:20:20

Monkeyboy wrote:So who is going to turn out their voters? It seems like Santorum has been getting his voters out at a better rate. So I'm predicting a good day(s) for Radical Rick.

Why does it seem like Santorum has been getting his voters out at a better rate? He hasn't won a contested primary yet.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 15:49:50

jerseyhoya wrote:Image


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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Feb 27, 2012 16:27:19

Pretty good narrative of how we got here, but not sure if it supports this conclusion.

If they can claw out a presidential win and hold on to Congress, they will have a glorious two-year window to restore the America they knew and loved, to lock in transformational change, or at least to wrench the status quo so far rightward that it will take Democrats a generation to wrench it back. The cost of any foregone legislative compromises on health care or the deficit would be trivial compared to the enormous gains available to a party in control of all three federal branches.

On the other hand, if they lose their bid to unseat Obama, they will have mortgaged their future for nothing at all. And over the last several months, it has appeared increasingly likely that the party’s great all-or-nothing bet may land, ultimately, on nothing. In which case, the Republicans will have turned an unfavorable outlook into a truly bleak one in a fit of panic. The deepest effect of Obama’s election upon the Republicans’ psyche has been to make them truly fear, for the first time since before Ronald Reagan, that the future is against them.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 27, 2012 16:30:07

Pull seems to be in the race just to help mitt. Why?

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Feb 27, 2012 16:32:26

Another mystery--some SuperPAC is running anti Romney ads in Arkansas. Our primary isn't until May.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 27, 2012 16:35:50

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Sooo... this is Dave Albo, a Republican member of the Virginia House of Delegates. A very prominent member, in fact. He was one of the Delegates involved in the negotiations over the notorious ultrasound bill.

Yeah... um... just watch.



Needless to say, this has drawn some attention. And it's a mortal lock he'll make the Daily Show at some point this week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/del-dave-albo-all-that-ultrasound-talk-ruined-a-romantic-night-video/2012/02/24/gIQAiL9WYR_blog.html

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/opinion/sunday/dowd-ghastly-outdated-party.html?
_r=2&scp=2&sq=dowd&st=cse[/url]

Wtffffff

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 27, 2012 16:37:42

TenuredVulture wrote:Another mystery--some SuperPAC is running anti Romney ads in Arkansas. Our primary isn't until May.

What channel? Could be a national cable buy (especially if you were watching CNN or Fox News or something like that).

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