Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby lethal » Mon Feb 27, 2012 16:37:46

TenuredVulture wrote:Pretty good narrative of how we got here, but not sure if it supports this conclusion.

If they can claw out a presidential win and hold on to Congress, they will have a glorious two-year window to restore the America they knew and loved, to lock in transformational change, or at least to wrench the status quo so far rightward that it will take Democrats a generation to wrench it back. The cost of any foregone legislative compromises on health care or the deficit would be trivial compared to the enormous gains available to a party in control of all three federal branches.

On the other hand, if they lose their bid to unseat Obama, they will have mortgaged their future for nothing at all. And over the last several months, it has appeared increasingly likely that the party’s great all-or-nothing bet may land, ultimately, on nothing. In which case, the Republicans will have turned an unfavorable outlook into a truly bleak one in a fit of panic. The deepest effect of Obama’s election upon the Republicans’ psyche has been to make them truly fear, for the first time since before Ronald Reagan, that the future is against them.


Clinton had everything from 93 to 94. Didn't exactly move the country way left in that period.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Feb 27, 2012 17:00:45

Right--as the article indicates, the 90s were very much part of the Reagan Era. There's nothing really new in the article, but it's a nice summation of how current demographic trends are playing out politically.

What almost everyone in the mainstream world missed was why Bush and McCain (and Rove and sort of even Perry) had pushed immigration reform and how inexplicable and self-destructive the current turn is for Republicans. The anti-sex Santorum surge seems to be along the same lines.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jamiethekiller » Mon Feb 27, 2012 17:02:12

got in an argument with my mom.

she believes that kids born to into poor circumstances don't have the right to have support handed to them(welfare and what not). she believes that since she made the correct decision of only having one child that everyone else should of been smart enough to do the same. so the child is supposed to suffer because of stupid parents. so glad i don't live at home anymore.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby drsmooth » Mon Feb 27, 2012 17:17:26

TenuredVulture wrote:Pretty good narrative of how we got here, but not sure if it supports this conclusion.

If they can claw out a presidential win and hold on to Congress, they will have a glorious two-year window to restore the America they knew and loved, to lock in transformational change, or at least to wrench the status quo so far rightward that it will take Democrats a generation to wrench it back. The cost of any foregone legislative compromises on health care or the deficit would be trivial compared to the enormous gains available to a party in control of all three federal branches.

On the other hand, if they lose their bid to unseat Obama, they will have mortgaged their future for nothing at all. And over the last several months, it has appeared increasingly likely that the party’s great all-or-nothing bet may land, ultimately, on nothing. In which case, the Republicans will have turned an unfavorable outlook into a truly bleak one in a fit of panic. The deepest effect of Obama’s election upon the Republicans’ psyche has been to make them truly fear, for the first time since before Ronald Reagan, that the future is against them.


funny that Ryan then Santorum so innocently employ a descriptive concept for America's current position popularized by a godless heathen canadian new yorker-writing socialist prevert like Gladwell.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby phdave » Mon Feb 27, 2012 17:21:57

"We went into a recession in 2008 because of gasoline prices," Santorum said to a hotel ballroom of supporters. "The bubble burst in housing because people couldn’t pay their mortgages because of $4 a gallon gasoline."


That seems like a novel theory.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Grotewold » Mon Feb 27, 2012 17:24:17

Is that real

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby phdave » Mon Feb 27, 2012 17:49:55

Grotewold wrote:Is that real


maybe?. I don't really know what a buzzfeed is.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 27, 2012 17:53:02

jamiethekiller wrote:got in an argument with my mom.

she believes that kids born to into poor circumstances don't have the right to have support handed to them(welfare and what not). she believes that since she made the correct decision of only having one child that everyone else should of been smart enough to do the same. so the child is supposed to suffer because of stupid parents. so glad i don't live at home anymore.

so that must mean she's pro-choice, amirite?!?!

what does she want the kids to do, die??


on a side note, it's amazing. i used to think of my mother as a pretty conservative democrat, but with the way things have turned, she's pretty damn liberal at this point. the last two months' of news have pushed her over to the dark side permanently, i think, since she doesn't want all these dudes getting in women's business.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Bucky » Mon Feb 27, 2012 17:53:14

the fact that santorum is this relevant this far into the campaign gives me a sad for the u. s. of a.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Bakestar » Mon Feb 27, 2012 18:11:23

Suddenly contraception and church/state separation are controversial topics again.

I wonder what rbm-de has to say.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby Werthless » Mon Feb 27, 2012 19:57:28

jamiethekiller wrote:got in an argument with my mom.

she believes that kids born to into poor circumstances don't have the right to have support handed to them(welfare and what not). she believes that since she made the correct decision of only having one child that everyone else should of been smart enough to do the same. so the child is supposed to suffer because of stupid parents. so glad i don't live at home anymore.

Does it make you feel guilty from benefiting, through increased resources and attention, from your mother's logic? :twisted:

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby td11 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 20:03:49

phdave wrote:
"We went into a recession in 2008 because of gasoline prices," Santorum said to a hotel ballroom of supporters. "The bubble burst in housing because people couldn’t pay their mortgages because of $4 a gallon gasoline."




what
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jamiethekiller » Mon Feb 27, 2012 20:09:02

Werthless wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:got in an argument with my mom.

she believes that kids born to into poor circumstances don't have the right to have support handed to them(welfare and what not). she believes that since she made the correct decision of only having one child that everyone else should of been smart enough to do the same. so the child is supposed to suffer because of stupid parents. so glad i don't live at home anymore.

Does it make you feel guilty from benefiting, through increased resources and attention, from your mother's logic? :twisted:


i feel like i'm better than everyone

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 27, 2012 20:12:05

td11 wrote:
phdave wrote:
"We went into a recession in 2008 because of gasoline prices," Santorum said to a hotel ballroom of supporters. "The bubble burst in housing because people couldn’t pay their mortgages because of $4 a gallon gasoline."




what

i believe you meant 'lol wut'
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby phdave » Mon Feb 27, 2012 20:22:45

Bakestar wrote:Suddenly contraception and church/state separation are controversial topics again.

I wonder what rbm-de has to say.


I bet I can guess
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby phdave » Mon Feb 27, 2012 20:29:32

Crazy? Crazy like a VOX!

Although I'm not sure "making a material contribution" is not exactly what Santorum is saying. He is saying the whole thing was caused by high oil prices.
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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:32:06

Santorum edging back ahead in Michigan? I might have to light myself on fire.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby JUburton » Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:33:44

jerseyhoya wrote:Santorum edging back ahead in Michigan? I might have to light myself on fire.
PPP's Monday only poll had him up 5 points (though I assume you follow Nate Silver too)

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:35:21

11 among folks who haven't voted yet. Romney with three self induced crappy news cycles this weekend. And I can't even drink tomorrow.

What a disaster.

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Re: Politics: Spreading Santorum All Over This Great Nation

Postby dajafi » Mon Feb 27, 2012 23:35:51

Romney recalls event from before he was born

I wonder if having worked for Romney's campaign will be some sort of scarlet letter in Republican politics going forward.

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