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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:30:07

Mitch Daniels says we suck
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby dajafi » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:31:37

I don't agree with pretty much any of it, but already this looks like the most effective SotU response since Jim Webb followed Bush in 2007.

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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:32:31

he's actually a professional politician.


but sheesh, may as well put a gun in my mouth after this speech. this is supposed to be that depressing?
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:35:49

this guy did bush's budgets
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby dajafi » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:36:14

I'm wishing Daniels had run. He's actually sane, informed, and doesn't seem addled by hate of liberals. That he started with the employment plight of young adults admittedly is something that might resonate with me more than most.

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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:41:51

Strong finish from Barry, then the craven governor of bumfucktopolis offers the rebuttal.

What's the point of having the "reluctant", not much of a federal future Mitch Daniels do the followup? Where's the opposition's future?

Oh yeah, bottoming out a bag of doritos on a couch somewhere in NJ
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:50:28

I missed it, thanks to hot water heaters and other things. Anything important?

I'm a little nervous some student is going to ask me what I thought about the speech tomorrow in Am Gov, since I told them they might want to watch it.
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:53:22

daniels' speech was standard establishment republican fare
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:53:24

dajafi wrote:The community college/workforce stuff was solid. The rest of the education part, not so much. The way to fix the dropout problem isn't to forbid dropping out; it's to make schools not suck.


Did he cite the (I'm pretty sure) bogus 30% dropout rate stat?
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:54:27

^the school district my sister teaches in has a near 50% dropout rate. i don't think that's normal statewide, though...especially since our school's dropout rate was about 8%
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:56:37

pacino wrote:^the school district my sister teaches in has a near 50% dropout rate. i don't think that's normal statewide, though...especially since our school's dropout rate was about 8%


I actually looked at census data, and the figure I got was something like 12% of people between 16 and 24 not in school and lacking a HS diploma. Seems like a pretty good way to count drop outs, but I could be mistaken regarding specifics.
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 24, 2012 23:59:17

that's incredibly high. 1 out of 8 persons
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby drsmooth » Wed Jan 25, 2012 00:01:04

TenuredVulture wrote:I missed it, thanks to hot water heaters and other things. Anything important?

I'm a little nervous some student is going to ask me what I thought about the speech tomorrow in Am Gov, since I told them they might want to watch it.


Strong finish, workmanlike middle with some wobbles
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 00:08:37

Stewart just destroyed Mitt Romney on the tax issue. Destroyed him.

That is, if anybody really watched his program.
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby allentown » Wed Jan 25, 2012 00:09:24

pacino wrote:that's incredibly high. 1 out of 8 persons

And it's a little low as a dropout measure, because kids who drop out and then get a GED by age 24 aren't included. For some kids, that may be the best we can expect. Drop out, see how tough it is to get by as a dropout, and get a GED. Many HS kids see no value in a diploma, while in school, and will only cause trouble if forced to stay there.
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Jan 25, 2012 01:36:16

pacino wrote:that's incredibly high. 1 out of 8 persons


I agree that's too high, and agree the GED isn't the same. But it's not the 30% figure I've seen thrown around either.
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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 25, 2012 01:40:36

If I start a rumor that Jeb Bush is going to get into the race if Newt wins Florida will that make it happen

Please?

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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Jan 25, 2012 03:53:16

Jeb Bush doesn't even want to endorse a candidate. My impression is Jeb would rather motorboat a porcupine than seek another political office.

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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 07:29:12

Reading between the lines of Mitt's tax returns. What's there and what's still missing... I can't see how he avoids releasing the rest of these returns. Maybe he can do it at the same time he releases his long form birth certificate. Oh wait, he's white, so he doesn't have to release that.

From Talking Points Memo...



But they raise a series of new questions that will likely require Romney to disclose several years’ worth of additional tax returns if he wants to answer them satisfactorily. Here are three big ones that touch generally on the theme of Romney’s efforts to reduce his tax burden by taking advantage of areas of the law that simply aren’t available to most people.

How Low Do They REALLY Go

Romney’s effective tax rate was 13.9 percent of his adjusted gross income (AGI) in 2011, and is expected to be slightly higher in 2011. Set aside for now the fact that for a high net worth individual like Romney, AGI often understates what you might call “true” income — meaning these effective tax rates probably overstate Romney’s 2010 and 2011 tax liability. It turns out that in 2009, in the wake of the financial crisis, Romney very likely managed to get his effective tax rate much lower than 13.9 percent. In 2010, Romney carried over $4.9 million in capital losses from 2009. This is a consequence of the tax code’s leniency toward investors who take hits in bad years. But as tax lawyer Ed Kleinbard told reporters during a Tuesday conference call organized by the DNC, “that means he paid no tax on any of his capital gains in 2009, including tax on his carried interest in 2009.” That’s not necessarily because Romney actually lost money in 2009, either. As Kleinbard explained, a common tactic for Americans with capital gains is to “harvest” — by selling off certain investments that lose value investors can count the losses against gains elsewhere in their portfolios. If those losses exceed the gains by more than a certain amount, they roll over into the following tax cycle. Unless Romney had significant sources of non-investment income, that suggests his effective tax rate in 2009 was much lower than 13.9 percent. And remember, he jokes he’s been unemployed for years.


That UBIT Bit

One of camp Romney’s chief claims has been that his offshore investments haven’t been covers for deferring or avoiding U.S. taxation. But as described, here, there is one tax strategy that could have allowed Romney to avoid a big, 35 percent tax on unrelated business income, as it pertains to his massive individual retirement account — if that account is invested in an offshore entity. When asked Tuesday if Romney has ever benefited from this strategy, his trust adviser Brad Malt said, “I don’t know the answer to that — let us get back to you on that.” We haven’t received an answer yet, but we’ll pass it along when we get it.


Swiss Amiss?

Romney’s 2010 tax return reveals a Swiss bank account. “It is listed because I set that account up for diversification in 2003 when I became trustee of the blind trusts,” Malt said. “It is a bank account. Nothing more, nothing less. An ordinary bank account. It earns some income which is fully reported on the form 1040. In the 2010 tax return, you’ll see approximately $1,700 in interest earned by this account, which is reported. The tax is fully paid just as if this were a U.S. bank account. Nothing more complicated than that. By the way, I did close this account in early 2010. It no longer exists.”

Some reports suggest that the account was closed for political reasons, but Malt said “I regularly review Governor Romney’s investments just in connection with my periodic reviews, I decided that this account wasn’t serving any particular purpose….Again, taxes were all fully paid etc. But it just wasn’t worth it. And I closed the account.” Tax experts have noted to TPM in recent days that U.S. law changed shortly before then, to make it harder for U.S. persons to avail themselves of tax havens. Shortly thereafter the IRS gave people secreting their money abroad a time window for compliance. Taking camp Romney at its word, that wasn’t really their concern. Even if the account existed for purposes of diversification that could be politically embarrassing in and of itself, constituting a bet against U.S. currency. But to fully answer the question, we’d need to know if that bank account is declared in the years before the law changed. Camp Romney did not respond to a request for comment on this point Tuesday.

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Re: It's Newt's World, We're Just Living In It, Politics Thr

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Jan 25, 2012 09:13:35

Surprised that Mitch Daniels opened his speech by saying Obama didn't cause the current economic disaster. There still seems to a lot of confusion out there about who did what around the time of the economic collapse of 2008 and the Bush-Obama transition. I think a lot of people actually believe that Obama did cause the collapse (somehow). Usually the republicans like to blame Obama for everything, even things he's not responsible for so I thought they might as well throw that against the wall too.
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