Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos: A politics thread

Postby pacino » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:34:38

us chamber of commerce and other losers oppose 9/11 treatment bill
Under the bill, House Resolution 847, the funding would provide medical monitoring and treatment for survivors of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the crash site of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania. First responders who suffered long-term health effects from being exposed to toxins at the attack sites would also be eligible.

yeah, sounds good...

There are 59 senators who support the bill, but under cloture rules, the legislation needs 60 aye votes to pass. And with Republicans taking over the House next year, supporters worry that the bill must pass now or never.
Enzi said in a statement Tuesday that he opposes the legislation because he and other lawmakers haven't received adequate answers to how $475 million in existing 9/11 compensation and relief-program money is being spent.
“Sen. Enzi thinks it is reasonable to find out what happened to the money that has already been allocated before spending more,” spokeswoman Elly Pickett said.
In addition, Enzi said in a statement that he'd like to see how this legislation would be affected by a recent court settlement giving $625 million to 9/11 survivors.
Enzi isn't the only Senate Republican to oppose the legislation. Newly sworn-in U.S. Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., has been the only GOP member to come out in favor of the bill. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and at least one anti-tax group have also opposed the bill, saying the taxes imposed on companies would kill American jobs.

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Postby kopphanatic » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:47:53

Just comical. The best thing to do is just laugh.

Child Marriage is apparently a-ok. Gay marriage is not.
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Postby gr » Mon Dec 20, 2010 00:01:36



TRANSLATION: "Listen, we can't explain how this money's being spent. We just need more so SIGN ON, OK?"

I wouldn't go so far as to say "losers." The "tax kills jobs" message is the usual defacto Chamber response for these situations. It means a member or two is complaining about it.
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Dec 20, 2010 02:52:33

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Postby Barry Jive » Mon Dec 20, 2010 05:43:03

pacino wrote:tonight's daily show was a pretty good assault against the craziness surrounding filibustering the 9/11 first responder's bill. he had some guys on that really explained it for people.


I'm watching this now. I get it and I agree with them. But they start off the segment with a clip of Mitch McConnell getting choked up because his friend is retiring. Stewart says, in jest, "To be fair, he's been working with him for six years." I mean, come the fuck on, man. You can't do this sentimental sap and then make fun of your opponent for being sentimental and sappy about something you don't even know about.

I don't post in here often because talking politics bores me pretty quickly, but this is the first time I've ever actually been mad at The Daily Show.
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Postby drsmooth » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:12:27

Ross Douthat with a genuinely thoughtful essay on emerging changes in the religion/politics dynamic in the US - it's a Festivus miracle!

American Christianity has become what Hunter calls a “weak culture” — one that mobilizes but doesn’t convert, alienates rather than seduces, and looks backward toward a lost past instead of forward to a vibrant future....

[T]his month’s ubiquitous carols and crèches notwithstanding, believing Christians are no longer what they once were — an overwhelming majority in a self-consciously Christian nation. The question is whether they can become a creative and attractive minority in a different sort of culture, where they’re competing not only with rival faiths but with a host of pseudo-Christian spiritualities, and where the idea of a single religious truth seems increasingly passé.


I'm not sure he got the question quite right, but his summary of the current scene is quite well done.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:29:59

One problem is that for all too many, Christianity is more like a self-help movement, focused on the immediate well-being of the individual practitioner and less on the message of Christ. There's plenty of forgiveness, little repentance. The use of the first person in contemporary Christian music is too me an indication of a lack of spiritual seriousness.

Even among the more literalistic types, the emphasis is on the sins of others rather than the sins of self. It's easy to see how this translates in the kind of politics championed by so-called religious conservatives.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Dec 20, 2010 13:39:24

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCnb5_HZc0[/youtube]

Tomorrow's the big announcement! Excitement!

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Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Dec 20, 2010 13:45:43

They should spend more time on the math. There's a pet peeve--when people addressing quantitative topics "skip over the math". That's how people like Joe Morgan get a job.

The formula really didn't seem that complicated anyway.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Dec 20, 2010 13:48:21

It encouraged me to go to Wikipedia and read about it for myself.

Here is Wiki breaking it down

I'm writing a paper on redistricting that's due Thursday so this is topical, and not the usual type of procrastination that has nothing to do with my work.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Dec 20, 2010 13:51:31

jerseyhoya wrote:It encouraged me to go to Wikipedia and read about it for myself.

Here is Wiki breaking it down

I'm writing a paper on redistricting that's due Thursday so this is topical, and not the usual type of procrastination that has nothing to do with my work.


The math really isn't complicated at all.

Of course, the real fun happens in the state legislatures and other bodies that draw the lines.

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Postby drsmooth » Mon Dec 20, 2010 14:16:06

jerseyhoya wrote:It encouraged me to go to Wikipedia and read about it for myself.

Here is Wiki breaking it down


CA has grown into a whale, TX & FL grew up to be NY, NY & PA (& OH & IL) grown less influential. Everyone else grew from nothing to still pretty much nothing (AZ) just milling around. CT: land of steady habits; NJ: kinda the same way
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Postby drsmooth » Mon Dec 20, 2010 14:17:56

Anyone watch 60 Minutes' riff on the problems states are facing with unfunded postretirement health obligations?

Christie got lots of air time, talking tough, but that issue will turn him into a socialistic communist given NJ's plight

that is if he wants to still run things there
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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Dec 20, 2010 14:27:30

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Census question: When was the last time a state north of the Mason-Dixon line and east of the Continental Divide gained a House seat? 1960

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Postby drsmooth » Mon Dec 20, 2010 14:36:42

jerseyhoya wrote:
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Census question: When was the last time a state north of the Mason-Dixon line and east of the Continental Divide gained a House seat? 1960


but where's your 1960-added seat now, Garden State? Huh? Where? Huh? Huh?

(yea, sure, OH too, but OH doesn't matter around here anyways)
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Postby dajafi » Mon Dec 20, 2010 15:32:58

I'm very nervous about the prospects for New START.

Even a year ago, I probably wouldn't have thought Senate Republicans so crass that their leadership would push hard to scuttle a treaty supported by many of their own policy experts, every living Republican Secretary of State, large public majorities, etc, pretty much for no reason other than to win a political fight. Now? No question about it.

It doesn't help that the media itself persists in presenting questions like this as "a win/loss for the president." Focus on the fucking policy--and maybe mention some salient facts like how passing this helps to isolate Iran, secure Russian nukes and save us billions of dollars, while not passing it does the reverse.

edit: really? Really.

The repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy over the weekend was a major victory for the White House, but it is now imperiling a chief priority: the ratification of the nuclear-arms-reduction pact with Russia known as the New START Treaty. Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) had promised the White House early last week that they would deliver the votes necessary to ratify the START treaty if the administration would pull the repeal of the military's DADT policy off the lame-duck agenda, according to Democratic aides familiar with the pair's offer.

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Postby Swiggers » Mon Dec 20, 2010 17:55:58

dajafi wrote:It doesn't help that the media itself persists in presenting questions like this as "a win/loss for the president."


I don't think they're interested in/capable of anything else at this point.

News journalism and sports journalism are virtually indistinguishable in approach by now.

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Postby The Nightman Cometh » Mon Dec 20, 2010 20:12:27

Barry Jive wrote:
pacino wrote:tonight's daily show was a pretty good assault against the craziness surrounding filibustering the 9/11 first responder's bill. he had some guys on that really explained it for people.


I'm watching this now. I get it and I agree with them. But they start off the segment with a clip of Mitch McConnell getting choked up because his friend is retiring. Stewart says, in jest, "To be fair, he's been working with him for six years." I mean, come the #$&! on, man. You can't do this sentimental sap and then make fun of your opponent for being sentimental and sappy about something you don't even know about.

I don't post in here often because talking politics bores me pretty quickly, but this is the first time I've ever actually been mad at The Daily Show.

selfless people dying slow painful deaths------------------retiring friend

How did Stewart not see his hypocrisy?
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Postby Barry Jive » Mon Dec 20, 2010 20:47:36

My mom cried at my sister's graduation but not at the news of the Chilean miners being trapped so I guess she's going to hell.
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Postby The Nightman Cometh » Mon Dec 20, 2010 21:12:18

Maybe if at the same time she shat down the miners only ventilation shaft. Then it would be comparable.
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