Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos: A politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Tue Dec 21, 2010 09:12:50

Fukuyama gets his Schumpeter on in this essay: Left Out.

I'm not particularly a Fukuyama fan, and he appears still not to have the guts to commit to any particular conclusions implied by his analysis (which is not particularly insightful, but is quite well composed). Nevertheless this piece gets the thoughty juices flowing:

....Plutocracy, says the dictionary, simply means “rule by the rich.” If the query is taken literally to mean that the non-rich—the vast majority of American citizens—have no influence in American democracy, or that the country is self-consciously ruled by some hidden collusive elite, the answer is obviously “no.” On the other hand, if the question is taken to mean, “Do the wealthy have disproportionate political influence in the United States?” then the answer is obviously “yes”, and that answer would qualify as one of the most unsurprising imaginable....[In this essay, w]e mean not just rule by the rich, but rule by and for the rich. We mean, in other words, a state of affairs in which the rich influence government in such a way as to protect and expand their own wealth and influence, often at the expense of others....

Scandalous as it may sound to the ears of Republicans schooled in Reaganomics, one critical measure of the health of a modern democracy is its ability to legitimately extract taxes from its own elites. The most dysfunctional societies in the developing world are those whose elites succeed either in legally exempting themselves from taxation, or in taking advantage of lax enforcement to evade them, thereby shifting the burden of public expenditure onto the rest of society....
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:26:11

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Postby dajafi » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:28:08

Sounds like we might be okay after all on New START. Good to see Turtlehead and Kyl exposed as the obstructionist a-holes they are.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:35:44

AZ+1, FL+2, GA+1, NV+1, SC+1, TX+4, UT+1, WA+1, IL-1, IA-1, LA-1, MA-1, MI-1, MO-1, NJ-1, NY-2, OH-2, PA-1

We gon reapportion

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Postby CalvinBall » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:37:16

texas. geez.

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Postby dajafi » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:40:14

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Postby kopphanatic » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:40:51

If demographic trends continue, those additional seats in Texas will hurt the Republicans in the long run.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:43:50

Yeah Obama only ran 19% worse there than nation wide.

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Postby kopphanatic » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:44:52

More and more Latinos there. I have a feeling that the race-baiting spewed by Republicans won't help them with that ethic group.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 21, 2010 13:22:55

In the short and medium term the state is not competitive. Hard to say how different demographic groups are going to vote decades from now, but a lot has to change before Texas is politically competitive. If you double the number of Latinos voting in Texas from 2008, when they were 20% of the electorate, allocate the new voters as 70% Dem votes (were 63% in 2008) and hold everything else constant McCain still would have won the state by about 3%. So Texas would have been 10% more Republican than the rest of the country. Texas has an extraordinarily long way to go before it having more electoral votes hurts Republicans.

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Postby kopphanatic » Tue Dec 21, 2010 13:25:05

Within a decade, you'll start to see a change. I never said that Texas would be remotely competitive in 2012.

California is out of reach now on the Presidential level, largely due to the increasing Hispanic population.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Dec 21, 2010 13:31:54

One thing that Texas Republicans can do is count. And as a white minority state (in terms of population, but not in terms of registered voters yet) Texas Republicans know that their party is going to have to work hard to attract votes from brown people to stay viable. That's why you won't see establishment types in Texas backing anything like what you're seeing in Arizona. Now, there's certainly a possibility that grass roots Texas crazies might go ahead and try something along those lines, but it's hard to see how they'd succeed without initiative and referendum like you have in AZ and CA.

The question is how much the national Republican anti-immigration rhetoric moves Latino voters in Texas into the D column.

The history of white/hispanic relations in Texas is different than what you'll find in AZ and CA.

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Postby WheelsFellOff » Tue Dec 21, 2010 13:34:04

TenuredVulture wrote:The history of white/hispanic relations in Texas is different than what you'll find in AZ and CA.


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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 21, 2010 13:35:26

If the Latino population voting from 2008 were to *triple*, new Latino voters break 70/30 Dem, and everything else from 2008 stay the same, Texas would still be about GOP +2 on the Cook Partisan Voting Index.

The pain these seats/electoral votes will cause the GOP in the long run is just oh so obvious.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Dec 21, 2010 13:49:28

Don't focus on where Texas's electoral votes go. Instead, consider the cross pressures faced by the Texas Republican party, and what happens to its Congressional delegation.

Texas's electoral votes being up for grabs happens only after other significant seismic shifts in US voting patterns and demographics occur. Before that happnes, NM, NV, and CO, and maybe Florida will be solid blue states.

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Postby kopphanatic » Tue Dec 21, 2010 14:11:18

NM and CO are on the way already.
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Postby pacino » Tue Dec 21, 2010 14:39:58

A reporter nreds to ask mccain about what happened to country first.
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Postby allentown » Tue Dec 21, 2010 16:45:39

pacino wrote:A reporter nreds to ask mccain about what happened to country first.

McCain hates when he loses an election. Didn't forgive Bush, won't forgive Obama. The guy just seethes with resentment. Not helped by having what initially appeared to be a seriously bothersome primary challenge this year. McCain has become just another peevish old Senator, who sulks and then cuts loose with the vitriole, even if the new stands cut 180 across prior positions. It's not the position that matters, it's striking back at the guy who beat him. It's an early Alzhimer symptom, don't know if that's McCain's personal problem, but he's of the age. If he keeps this up, he'll wake up one fine morning and find he's morphed into Jim Bunning.
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Postby allentown » Tue Dec 21, 2010 22:36:04


Already is. We've used economic power to build military power, not the other way around. The lack of education by a significant share of those under 25 will really crimp our future economy. The inner cities are churning out kids who leave high school with little in the way of life skills, job skills, or the educational tools to graduate college. Between these urban youth and all of the recent college grads who don't have decent jobs available to them, we are in danger of creating a lost generation, just when our economy and nation are facing their greatest challenges.
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