It's Pronounced BAY-ner (Politics Thread)

Postby pacino » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:32:57

Nope, still a douche. Transport spending pays for itself quickly, and in many ways.


Anyway:
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Postby kopphanatic » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:35:25

Public transportation is socialism.
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Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Oct 09, 2010 16:10:05

Phan In Phlorida wrote:GOTTA CUT THAT BUDGET BUSTIN' MONEY SUCKIN' ARTS FUNDING!


But it's 24 cents!! That's almost a quarter!! We could buy 5 pieces of penny candy with that money!

I think defense is underrepresented on that list. Where is the rest of the defense budget? They have personnel and operations abroad, but the defense sucks up lots more money than that in domestic areas, equipment, running bases all around the world, covert operations, etc. So I love the idea of giving taxpayers a receipt, but I'd want it broken down by department and a little more detailed. Not so detailed that people would get lost in all the details, but detailed enough that people would have a real good idea which areas were getting all the money. Without that detail, I fear people might just go, "Social Security is the main cost, let's cut it," which would be really shortsighted, imho. I have a feeling Americans would die of sticker shock if they ever realized how much of our money goes to defense compared to other top nations. We're getting ripped off. Maybe if Haliburton took more of an interest in green technologies we might free up some of that defense money to do something more useful.
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Postby kopphanatic » Sat Oct 09, 2010 16:18:23

God forbid, cutting defense spending.

Anyone who proposes massive defense spending cuts is immediately branded a pansy or worse by the Right. But yeah, we would save a lot of money by cutting a lot of crap out of the defense budget.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Oct 09, 2010 16:34:52

Seems like Tom Coburn's doing OK

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Postby dajafi » Sat Oct 09, 2010 16:35:09

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOVEHGnwGhA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Can't decide if I think this is a good ad or not. The attacks are tough, but do they hold together to tell a bigger story?

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Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Oct 09, 2010 16:36:55




I'm not sure asking for endorsements in return is that out of line, but he comes off as barely literate. He's sent this email to a major political figure and he can't bother to use punctuation. "she's Joe" "is it to be completely one sided"
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Oct 09, 2010 16:44:51

dajafi wrote:Can't decide if I think this is a good ad or not. The attacks are tough, but do they hold together to tell a bigger story?


It's a decent enough ad. Probably pretty effective, as Manchin is going to have to disqualify Raese at this point because Raese's efforts to tie Manchin to Obama/Pelosi/Reid have been working.

It's full of shit because the NRSC made the hicks ad, not Raese's campaign, but that's a process argument Raese would lose.

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Postby dajafi » Sat Oct 09, 2010 16:47:28

jerseyhoya wrote:
dajafi wrote:Can't decide if I think this is a good ad or not. The attacks are tough, but do they hold together to tell a bigger story?


It's a decent enough ad. Probably pretty effective, as Manchin is going to have to disqualify Raese at this point because Raese's efforts to tie Manchin to Obama/Pelosi/Reid have been working.

It's full of $#@! because the NRSC made the hicks ad, not Raese's campaign, but that's a process argument Raese would lose.


That's probably about right. I just kind of see it as a missed opportunity for Manchin: he could/should have been more explicit if the point is that between the "hicks" ad and the Florida residency thing, Raese lacks authenticity and is playing the people of West Virginia for suckers.

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Postby pacino » Sat Oct 09, 2010 16:51:52

dajafi wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOVEHGnwGhA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Can't decide if I think this is a good ad or not. The attacks are tough, but do they hold together to tell a bigger story?

They're from PHILADELPHIA?! EWWWW
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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Oct 09, 2010 17:25:53

Right now, there are probably campaign interns in places like NJ and Arkansas that have deep inferiority complexes looking for out of state actors in campaign ads. There's a really dumb radio ad by Mike Ross that features two good ol' boys singing Mike Ross's praises. I wonder how you'd find out if those actors are from Arkansas or not.

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Postby traderdave » Mon Oct 11, 2010 14:19:39

dajafi wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOVEHGnwGhA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Can't decide if I think this is a good ad or not. The attacks are tough, but do they hold together to tell a bigger story?


These kinds of commercials really annoy me. Here is a question for Joe Manchin - why should the voters of West Virginia vote for YOU? Or are you so bereft of ideas that you have to fall back on the classic "Vote for me because I'm not him" line of thought?

I am going to see Adler and Runyan this coming Friday at a SJ Chamber event. We should make it a drinking game with everyone in the crowd having to do a shot whenever Runyan mentions Nancy Pelosi and Adler's voting record.

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Oct 11, 2010 14:33:18

traderdave wrote:We should make it a drinking game with everyone in the crowd having to do a shot whenever Runyan mentions Nancy Pelosi and Adler's voting record.

I was going to do that for every time the TBS crew mentioned the Utley/Chapman HBP. Fortunately I didn't because I would've had alcohol poisioning by the 5th inning.

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Postby traderdave » Mon Oct 11, 2010 14:44:41

Phan In Phlorida wrote:
traderdave wrote:We should make it a drinking game with everyone in the crowd having to do a shot whenever Runyan mentions Nancy Pelosi and Adler's voting record.

I was going to do that for every time the TBS crew mentioned the Utley/Chapman HBP. Fortunately I didn't because I would've had alcohol poisioning by the 5th inning.


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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Oct 11, 2010 15:45:27

Are these process arguments about outside GOP groups really the White House's best argument (or one of, given how much they're pushing it)? Does it get liberals who weren't planning on voting fired up to go to the polling place in three! weeks? I don't get it. I have a hard time believing normal, unmotivated voters care about this shit.

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Postby dajafi » Mon Oct 11, 2010 16:29:09

Our well informed and temperate electorate:

“These guys in Washington are creating an environment that is having a chilling effect on small businesses and medium and big businesses, as well, and that’s a big part of why we don’t have the job growth that we badly need,” Mr. Toomey said in his visit to the ironworks shop.

They are creating a staggering amount of debt, debt that is eventually going to have much higher interest rates, probably lead to very high inflation,” he continued. “It’s a very worrisome combination, and we have got to get on a new track.”

What that new track would be was harder to explain.

Mr. Toomey says he favors making the Bush-era tax cuts permanent for all Americans — which would add $700 billion more to the deficit over 10 years than the plan advocated by President Obama to let the lower rates expire for the rich. But he also expresses a desire to reduce the deficit.

At the ironworks shop, Mr. Toomey brushed aside a question from a local reporter who pointed out that real income for American workers dropped after the Bush tax cuts, saying he did not believe the data.


Mr. Toomey’s own prescription for the economy includes repealing laws approved by the Democrats, blocking other Democratic goals and, of course, extending the tax cuts. “We need to eliminate all these threats of downside uncertainty,” he said.

He also said that Washington should cut spending, though he offered no specifics.
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During the question-and-answer session at the Rotary speech, Scott Wagner, the owner of a local waste management company, stood up with a printout of the entire health care law and offered it to Mr. Sestak. “Sir, I don’t need it,” Mr. Sestak shot back. “I’ve read every word.”

But Mr. Wagner, who raises money for Republican candidates, was not done. “You see this?” he said. “This is not good for business.”

In an interview, Mr. Wagner expressed deep anger at the government. “We’re being regulated to death,” he said. But when asked for examples, he offered only I.R.S. Form 2290, which is used to file the “heavy use vehicle tax” — a tax enacted in 1982 — and the I-9 immigration form to prove an employee is legally allowed to work in the United States, which has been required since 1986.

Mr. Wagner said there was no doubt about how he would vote. “I’m supporting Pat Toomey,” he said. “We’re on the Titanic,” Mr. Wagner added. “The Titanic is going down and the music is playing fast.”


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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Oct 11, 2010 23:42:54

Sweep the hometown team of the future speaker in round one

Sweep the hometown team of the current speaker in round two, plz

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Postby kopphanatic » Mon Oct 11, 2010 23:45:11

Toomey may well turn out to be worse than Santorum.

Far far right on social issues and full-time prostitute for Wall Street.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 12, 2010 00:02:14

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJORBRpOPM[/youtube]

omfg where is West Virginia? I think the correct answer might be the 1950s.

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Postby traderdave » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:00:31

Thank goodness this Carl Paladino clown has no chance of actually winning. I was cringing listening to his anti-gay rhetoric last night. Even though he is way behind, I would love to know how his guy managed to cut Cuomo's lead in half between late August and now.

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