It's Pronounced BAY-ner (Politics Thread)

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 16:37:07

She's not cutting Blumenthal's words so the audio clips used in the ad express the exact opposite meaning of what he was saying. That a clear, rational, meaningful difference between the two ads.

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 23:30:14

Tea Party Candidate in NJ-03 is a creation of the Camden County Dem machine

I'm shocked

by **The Nightman Cometh** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 23:32:33

I'm not sure that bothers me that much when the alternative is Jon Runyan in the House.

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 23:48:52

I'm all for doing what you can to win, but stuff like this can have a negative effect on your numbers if it starts getting press attention. Pretty ballsy move from them...I wonder who leaked it to the press. Bet the knives are out looking for the culprit.

by **traderdave** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:03:41

Really nothing from Camden County surprises me at all. I don't have a horse in the NJ-03 race but I am really hoping that Runyan loses (not that I am nuts about Adler). My already low opinion of American politics would reach the upper mantle if Runyan was elected solely because he played for the Eagles.

On a different topic, did anybody catch the steel cage match between Rachel Maddow and Art Robinson last night? Classic. Here is a link to it if anybody is interested:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns ... /#39566412

Lawrence O'Donnell followed that up with simultaneous interviews with Lou Dobbs and Isabel MacDonald, who wrote the piece in The Nation about him hiring undocumented workers. I DVR'd that and can't wait to watch it.

by **kopphanatic** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:06:17

Runyan has no business being anywhere near the House of Representatives.

Adler has proved to be a sell-out dbag though.

There will be a sizeable contingent of morons that will vote for Runyan because he played for the Eagles.

by **dajafi** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:56:15

Palin says she'll run if the American people want her

So... many... jokes...

In all seriousness, I do want her to run. Because my version of pr0n is watching hateful Republican presidential contenders make their withdrawal speeches.

by **traderdave** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:58:34

"However, Palin added she's not sure yet whether voters are ready for her "unconventional" and "out-of-the-box" style."

Oh, is that what you call it?

by **jerseyhoya** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:06:05

If Runyan wins it's going to be because he does well enough in Ocean County (the mixed/Giants side of the district) to cancel out losing Cherry Hill and the Burlco side badly, with the Giants fans voting for him because his opponent votes for Nancy Pelosi for speaker.

by **dajafi** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:33:05

We r stupidz

The government can't make the private sector invest. They can't demand that Wal-Mart start hiring. They can offer incentives, and tax breaks, and encouragement, but that's it. The same cannot be said when it comes to public sector jobs. The government can, if it's willing to run deficits, keep those workers employed. But Senate Republicans, alongside some conservative Democrats, have decided to make the government pro-cyclical: Rather than fighting the downturn in the business cycle, the government is now accelerating it.

And don't ignore the effect this has on private businesses. They're not going to hire new workers or invest in more capacity if jobs aren't coming back, because without jobs, there's no demand. But because the federal government has decided against backing up state and local governments, the bleeding continues, and that scares businesses away from investing in recovery. We create the stimulus that helped the economy survive 2008 and 2009, and we've created the anti-stimulus that's keeping it from recovering in 2010.

by **kopphanatic** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:34:09

Apparently, these guys didn't pay attention to that part about Herbert Hoover during history class.

by **pacino** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:28:00

Chris christie, douche in chief, killed a terrific public transport project today.

by **jerseyhoya** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:57:34

It's a bit more complicated than that. It was supposed to cost NJ $2.7 billion. Already cost overruns were projected to be between $2.5 and $5.5 billion, and that was falling on the state, despite the feds and NY/NJ Port Authority each kicking in 1/3 of the original funding. Sometimes a burrito that you think is a good deal at $6 becomes less of a good deal when someone tells you actually it's going to cost you $12-18.

I'm going to go buy a burrito now. Ciao.

by **traderdave** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 13:17:15

Yeah, I need to learn more about it but from what I've read/heard so far I think I'm with Christie on this one. And really, if they are estimating $11 billion to finish the project I'm figuring the final, final figure would've been closer to $13-$15 billion. My taxes are high enough thank you very much.

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 13:26:54

kopphanatic wrote:Runyan has no business being anywhere near the House of Representatives.

Adler has proved to be a sell-out dbag though.

So, it's like choosing between being kicked in the nads by David Beckham or punched in the nads by Mike Tyson.

by **drsmooth** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 15:12:45

traderdave wrote:Yeah, I need to learn more about it but from what I've read/heard so far I think I'm with Christie on this one. And really, if they are estimating $11 billion to finish the project I'm figuring the final, final figure would've been closer to $13-$15 billion. My taxes are high enough thank you very much.

Well, if you're "with Christie" you've been on quite a ride, inasmuch as he was FOR the tunnel until he was against it.

I really have a hard time believing Christie has labored over the tunnel's impact on NJ's budget as much has he has his tunnel position's impact on his national-stage opportunities 2 years hence.

by **jerseyhoya** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 15:37:41

I'd like to get a more detailed timeline on this, but it seems the extent of the overruns was only uncovered after he ordered the project to be put on hold so they could review how the budget was going. Being for something when it is going to cost your state $2.7 billion and against it when they say it might cost $8 billion isn't necessarily a cynical ploy to boost one's standing within the national party. $5.3 billion is a lot of money when your state is broke.

by **jerseyhoya** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 16:00:01

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - Gov. Chris Christie agrees to rethink decision on NY-NJ rail tunnel.

Maybe he's just trying to squeeze more money out of the feds or the Port Authority or NY

by **drsmooth** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 22:19:18

jerseyhoya wrote:I'd like to get a more detailed timeline on this, but it seems the extent of the overruns was only uncovered after he ordered the project to be put on hold so they could review how the budget was going. Being for something when it is going to cost your state $2.7 billion and against it when they say it might cost $8 billion isn't necessarily a cynical ploy to boost one's standing within the national party. $5.3 billion is a lot of money when your state is broke.

Oh, put a sock in it:

Christie To Review Options On Tunnel

by **kopphanatic** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:07:38

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/ohio-tea-partier-spent-weekends-playing-nazi-games.php

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