It's Pronounced BAY-ner (Politics Thread)

Postby traderdave » Tue Nov 02, 2010 14:36:50

lethal wrote:
traderdave wrote:
kopphanatic wrote:I don't care how pissed you are if your party is not living up to your expectations.

To be a registered voter and actively sit out an election is just awful. Vote, even if it means crossing over to another party.


I jokingly told my wife last night that I wasn't going to bother voting and I thought she was going to go all Sharron Angle on me. Get out and vote lazy asses!


Are you up for election?


No, I am not up for re-election until 2013. I hope Obama figures out the economy by then so I am not shit-canned by the backlash vote.

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Postby td11 » Tue Nov 02, 2010 16:27:25

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Postby td11 » Tue Nov 02, 2010 16:28:13

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Nov 02, 2010 16:44:31

kopphanatic wrote:I don't care how pissed you are if your party is not living up to your expectations.

To be a registered voter and actively sit out an election is just awful. Vote, even if it means crossing over to another party.

Why would voting for the other party be better than not voting?

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Postby pacino » Tue Nov 02, 2010 17:27:30

yeah, i didnt remind my republican friend to vote.
thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Postby dajafi » Tue Nov 02, 2010 20:32:38

It's a shame that Bob Herbert is usually so predictable and partisan (even to those of us who agree with him 98 percent of the time), because once in a while he points out something incredibly important:

The authors, political scientists Jacob Hacker of Yale and Paul Pierson of the University of California, Berkeley, argue persuasively that the economic struggles of the middle and working classes in the U.S. since the late-1970s were not primarily the result of globalization and technological changes but rather a long series of policy changes in government that overwhelmingly favored the very rich.

Those changes were the result of increasingly sophisticated, well-financed and well-organized efforts by the corporate and financial sectors to tilt government policies in their favor, and thus in favor of the very wealthy. From tax laws to deregulation to corporate governance to safety net issues, government action was deliberately shaped to allow those who were already very wealthy to amass an ever increasing share of the nation’s economic benefits.

“Over the last generation,” the authors write, “more and more of the rewards of growth have gone to the rich and superrich. The rest of America, from the poor through the upper middle class, has fallen further and further behind.”

As if to underscore this theme, it was revealed last week (by David Cay Johnston, a Pulitzer Prize-winning former reporter for The New York Times), that the incomes of the very highest earners in the United States, a small group of individuals hauling in more than $50 million annually (sometimes much more), increased fivefold from 2008 to 2009, even as the nation was being rocked by the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.
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The book describes an “organizational revolution” that took place over the past three decades in which big business mobilized on an enormous scale to become much more active in Washington, cultivating politicians in both parties and fighting fiercely to achieve shared political goals. This occurred at the same time that organized labor, the most effective force fighting on behalf of the middle class and other working Americans, was caught in a devastating spiral of decline.

Thus, the counterweight of labor to the ever-increasing political clout of big business was effectively lost.

“We’re not arguing that globalization and technological change don’t matter,” said Professor Hacker. “But they aren’t by any means a sufficient explanation for this massive change in the distribution of wealth and income in the U.S. Much more important are the ways in which government has shaped the economy over this period through deregulation, through changes in industrial relations policies affecting labor unions, through corporate governance policies that have allowed C.E.O.’s to basically set their own pay, and so on.”


One can argue whether this is good or bad (though I'm not quite sure how one would make the positive case for it), but the facts themselves seem incontrovertible and vital in explaining the politics of the last 30 years.

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Re: It's Pronounced BAY-ner (Politics Thread)

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Nov 02, 2010 21:16:55

jerseyhoya wrote:46 days till he's speaker elect, so that's exciting


Yay

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Re: It's Pronounced BAY-ner (Politics Thread)

Postby CFP » Tue Nov 02, 2010 22:43:51

jerseyhoya wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:46 days till he's speaker elect, so that's exciting


Yay


Geez, this was a well-timed thread

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Postby VoxOrion » Wed Nov 03, 2010 08:17:40

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