It's Pronounced BAY-ner (Politics Thread)

Postby kruker » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:51:44

the cnn rundown of the delaware debate last night was fantastic.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Oct 14, 2010 21:04:44

NV Sen debate on C-Span. I'll give it 10 minutes or so.

Says a lot about cable news that this is on C-Span and the DE Sen debate was on CNN

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Oct 14, 2010 21:16:08

Watching this you see how Reid is in trouble even though Angle is so out there. He's such an awful freaking politician.

He just said that insurance companies need to be mandated to do mammograms, and you can tell that because football players have been wearing pink helmets (paraphrasing, but really).

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Oct 15, 2010 01:41:15

Pretty good profile on Boehner from the NYT - Boehner’s Path to Power Began in Southern Ohio

Not like he came from poverty or anything, but a neat little American Dream type thing

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Oct 15, 2010 02:22:01

Mitch Daniels open to VAT, oil tax hike

I think at this point I'm down to four for my first choice

In this order: Christie, Daniels, Jindal, Pawlenty

Pawlenty is definitely running so I don't need to go past him, wouldn't be surprised if the other three don't

I don't think Christie will run...I really hope Mitch does

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Postby Gomes » Fri Oct 15, 2010 08:39:38

I think Mitch is running in 2012. He's come a long way from saying that his current position would be his last to now making high-profile appearances and leaving the door open in 2012.

He's, by far, my favorite politician.

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Postby traderdave » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:16:57

Just got back from a SJ Chamber of Commerce event featuring a debate between Adler and Runyan. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Runyan and I wish him the best of luck in the election but if he beats Adler it would have to be considered a major upset. Runyan just isn't ready yet. Hell, as a School Board member, I have more political experience than he does. I realize experience is not the end all, be all but I just never got the sense that he was doing anything other than spewing the party line. I want my representatives to at least pretend they can think for themselves.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Oct 15, 2010 13:18:47

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYynp3NDyB8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

This pretty much sums up the debate from last night.

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Postby The Nightman Cometh » Fri Oct 15, 2010 13:25:24

jerseyhoya wrote:Mitch Daniels open to VAT, oil tax hike

I think at this point I'm down to four for my first choice

In this order: Christie, Daniels, Jindal, Pawlenty

Pawlenty is definitely running so I don't need to go past him, wouldn't be surprised if the other three don't

I don't think Christie will run...I really hope Mitch does

I'd sooner have another neocon at the helm than Christie. He's a great politician, not so great head of state.
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat Oct 16, 2010 15:45:33

Christine O’Donnell, through the eyes of Taiwan...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPhvw1LW7HU[/youtube]

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Postby drsmooth » Sat Oct 16, 2010 16:24:29

Sweetly snarky NYT review of a book on the history of the Pledge of Allegiance

you can't handle the pledge, strict constructionists
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Postby Fusilli Jerry » Sun Oct 17, 2010 02:06:21

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCutsCPTwQ0[/youtube]

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Postby traderdave » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:56:20

Monkeyboy wrote:Did anyone else see the 3-part interview with Cantor on the Daily Show? It's a shame you have to turn on Comedy Central to find interesting political discourse.

Here it is at Talking Points Memo. I tried to find it on the Comedy Central website, but they only seemed to have two of the parts.

Stewart interviews Cantor


Finally got around to watching all three parts of this. I thought both Stewart and Cantor handled themselves very well. And, yeah, it is a shame (and kinda pathetic) that CC is actually The Place for Politics. I can listen to Maddow, Stewart and Colbert, all others are far too divisive for my taste. Cantor drove me a bit nuts during the health care debates but he was pretty good here.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Oct 17, 2010 19:44:50

I just got polled. Heady times.

Wonder if it's public or private polling.

In the N=1 sample size of my household, Runyan is leading Adler by the astounding margin of 100-0%.

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Postby kopphanatic » Mon Oct 18, 2010 09:42:46

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/18/joe-miller-security-guard_n_766010.html

This happened right after a speech where Miller praised East Germany as a good model of national security.
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Postby Woody » Mon Oct 18, 2010 09:57:25

jerseyhoya wrote:I just got polled. Heady times.

Wonder if it's public or private polling.

In the N=1 sample size of my household, Runyan is leading Adler by the astounding margin of 100-0%.


Was the study properly controlled for you being a drunken idiot with a Chipotle fetish?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:04:36

You say you are extremely likely to vote. A follow up question: would you be willing to forfeit your ability to vote in the November election if promised a flask of bourbon and an order of chips and guacamole from Chipotle?

Might get me caught in the likely voter screen.

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Postby dajafi » Mon Oct 18, 2010 13:20:34

Mitch Daniels update

Let’s raise the retirement age, he says. Let’s reduce Social Security for the rich. And let’s reconsider our military commitments, too. When I ask about taxes—in 2005 Daniels proposed a hike on the $100,000-plus crowd, which his own party promptly torpedoed—he refuses to revert to Republican talking points. “At some stage there could well be a tax increase,” he says with a sigh. “They say we can’t have grown-up conversations anymore. I think we can.”

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Sane fiscal conservatives know that some kind of VAT may well be essential if we are to get some kind of balanced budget in the future without jacking up income tax rates to the heavens. And taxing consumption is better in my view than taxing income. Still, the real point is that all this should be debatable, if conservatism is going to regenerate as a serious governing philosophy, rather than as a formula for media success. But here is Grover Norquist's head exploding in response:

“This is outside the bounds of acceptable modern Republican thought, and it is only the zone of extremely left-wing Democrats who publicly talk about those things because all Democrats pretending to be moderates wouldn’t touch it with a 10-foot poll. Absent some explanation, such as large quantities of crystal meth, this is disqualifying. This is beyond the pale.”

Notice the formulation: that there are "boundaries of acceptable modern Republican thought." Yes, this is a church or a party? And Norquist may not be the Pope (that would be Limbaugh) but he is in the college of cardinals). And notice the extreme rhetoric accusing Daniels of being on "crystal meth". Daniels also spoke last week of a possible gas tax:

“One fully justifiable tax would be on imported oil.”

Daniels, in other words, represents both the hope of the GOP and the most damning evidence that right now, it's hopeless.


It had been awhile since I remembered what a gaping asshole Norquist is. He'd truly rather see the country fail keeping to his "principles" than see it succeed through policies he dislikes. That strikes me as a pretty good definition of fanaticism.

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Postby pacino » Mon Oct 18, 2010 16:52:52

come on, they're not going to nominate a guy who could actually win in 2012, are they? daniels seems to be the one true contender, but what do i know?
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Postby pacino » Mon Oct 18, 2010 21:22:56

I don't think it can be reiterated enough that Joe Miller seems like a horrible person with no regard for others...plus he's pretty great at public speaking:
Alaska Republican Senate nominee Joe Miller was asked about illegal immigration at his town hall yesterday, and he said that the country's first priority should be to secure the border. "If East Germany could, we could," he said.

so, we are east germany in this analogy? great, thanks.

both Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell (and Ken Buck) appear to be utter loons. Angle also can't tell the difference between asians and latinos:

So that’s what we want is a secure and sovereign nation and, you know, I don’t know that all of you are Latino. Some of you look a little more Asian to me. I don’t know that. [Note: it's the Hispanic Student Union. The whole room is Hispanic teenagers.] What we know, what we know about ourselves is that we are a melting pot in this country. My grandchildren are evidence of that. I’m evidence of that. I’ve been called the first Asian legislator in our Nevada State Assembly."

LOLZ this lady makes harry reid appear to be a good campaigner
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